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Old April 3rd, 2013, 12:39 PM   #81
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If you are too dense to understand how putting the entire costs of the wars into supplementals is not being up front with the people about the costs of the wars, that's your problem. The rest of us, and that includes some conservatives in the Congress and the Senate, know better.
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 02:07 PM   #82
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GRANT WAS A SLAVE OWNER,, HE OWNED SLAVES UNTIL JAN 1869.. WHEN THE 14TH AMENDMENT WENT INTO EFFECT AFTER IT WAS RATIFIED IN 1868.


YOU ADMIRE A MAN THAT OWNED SLAVES LONG AFTER THE CIVIL WAR ENDED IN 1865.

you forget there until 1868.. there were 5 slave states (they were union states) Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, West Virgina and Missouri.

Slaves were only Freed in the Rebelious states prior to the 14 th amendment.
In the biography I had read of him and the common wiki sources, it detailed Grant as only a man who fought for Black and Native American rights. If what you say is true, then that is disappointing, but still Grant was a military genius and a fighter for equality during his presidencies.
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Lee "Even at the moment he reportedly told Francis Blair that if “he owned all the negroes in the South, he would be willing to give them up…to save the Union,” he was actually fighting a court case to keep the slaves under his control in bondage “indefinitely,” though they had been promised freedom in his father-in-law’s will."

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If you are too dense to understand how putting the entire costs of the wars into supplementals is not being up front with the people about the costs of the wars, that's your problem. The rest of us, and that includes some conservatives in the Congress and the Senate, know better.
I am not quite following. First you state that Bush hid the costs and the costs were not accounted for, which was a misrepresentation of fact. Now, armed with your bitter uneducated misdirect from being caught, Bush was not being up front.

This is almost as idiotic as your first set of fabrications. The costs of the war was not one cent more than if they had been on the budget at the first of the year. The bitter left just needs something to constantly bitch about, that is your problem.
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Lee "Even at the moment he reportedly told Francis Blair that if “he owned all the negroes in the South, he would be willing to give them up…to save the Union,” he was actually fighting a court case to keep the slaves under his control in bondage “indefinitely,” though they had been promised freedom in his father-in-law’s will."

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I surely hope no one buys into this version of history.
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wheres your proof?
Oh, brother.
More heckling from the cheap seats.

IN EVERY HISTORY BOOK.

Instead of OBJECTING to education, try reading one.

Jesus.
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I surely hope no one buys into this version of history.
You mean the most accurate version? From the article about the letter by Lee's daughter:

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It provides the most reliable information currently available to historians, overshadowing the questionable second-hand accounts that scholars once had to rely on. Not only was Mary Custis Lee an eyewitness to the scene, but her letter was written just a few years after the war, whereas the traditional depictions did not appear until decades later.

And her words fundamentally alter the story of Lee’s fateful choice. Lee biographers have long claimed that his decision to leave the Army was an inevitable one, driven by the pull of relatives, state and tradition. However, as his daughter shows us, in the end the decision was highly personal, made in spite of family differences and the military conventions he revered.
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You mean the most accurate version? From the article about the letter by Lee's daughter:
Have you read the book? Have you studied history that you cannot find on The Google. You only know of a snippet from a website, which is typical. The book has many holes and too many facts are left out. Even the snippet leaves out pertinent facts.
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I knew that story about Lee looked way to sketchy to be true.
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Old April 3rd, 2013, 03:35 PM   #90
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I knew that story about Lee looked way to sketchy to be true.
I know who Lee was he is the man the Freed my Great Great Grandfather from slavery.

He opposed slavery. Defended his State.

Infact my Great Great Grandfather because of Lee commanded an Artillery Battery in the Richmond Howitzers, manned by "Colored" Troops.
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