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Old June 23rd, 2017, 12:11 PM   #21
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Are you conservative?
I said: "conservatives / Republicans"



First off, if that was actually what you had said, I would have replied differently.
But of course, like always your position is changing when it gets inconvenient for you.

Secondly, it ignores the fact that their problems impact you, regardless of whether or not you want them to. They impact all of us.
So you saying "Fuck em." is a meaninglessly myopic trantrum. If you could successfully segregate their problems so that they did not impact you, then at least your position could start to have some intelligence to it.
Without that, you're talking about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
No. I say fuck em as i believe that we as a society are as strong as the weakest link. If they're not strong enough to fend for themselves then their genetics die out. This is good for humanity.

I am not a collectivist. I have no interest one way or another if you live or die.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 12:21 PM   #22
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No. I say fuck em as i believe that we as a society are as strong as the weakest link. If they're not strong enough to fend for themselves then their genetics die out. This is good for humanity.

I am not a collectivist. I have no interest one way or another if you live or die.
Are you at least a pragmatist...

Because you have to realize that even if you don't like the fact that their problems impact you, it's still a fact.

You can say "fuck em" all you like. It doesn't make the situation go away.
And the truth is that they won't just "die out" in the next 5 to 10 to 20 years in any meaningful way to lessen the impact on your life.

Their problems are still your problems after that time.
And even worse, it'll just be a new group of people with the same problems moving into that age bracket.

Again, your position is illogical. Their problems impact you.
You just can't seem to comprehend that because you want to react in an emotional way that cuts the nose to spite your face.
While you want to say "F*** em", that's still F***ing you.

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Old June 23rd, 2017, 01:40 PM   #23
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Are you conservative?
I said: "conservatives / Republicans"



First off, if that was actually what you had said, I would have replied differently.
But of course, like always your position is changing when it gets inconvenient for you.

Secondly, it ignores the fact that their problems impact you, regardless of whether or not you want them to. They impact all of us.
So you saying "Fuck em." is a meaninglessly myopic trantrum. If you could successfully segregate their problems so that they did not impact you, then at least your position could start to have some intelligence to it.
Without that, you're talking about cutting off your nose to spite your face.


Sabcat sees himself as a child of anarchy. He thrives on disruption and agitation. According to Urban Dictionary this type of personality "want to live under their own authority. Political authority is what they are against". BUT...mostly he just jabbers a lot about big, bad government and acts like an obnoxious 12-year-old who parents enforce a bedtime ritual of brushing his teeth. Sab feels that rules/laws are unfair and oppressive because HE is all-knowing and all-wise and needs NO guidance what-so-ever. Apparently, he is confident that millions of others are also capable of governing themselves.
It's a "thing" with him.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 02:17 PM   #24
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Sabcat sees himself as a child of anarchy. He thrives on disruption and agitation. According to Urban Dictionary this type of personality "want to live under their own authority. Political authority is what they are against". BUT...mostly he just jabbers a lot about big, bad government and acts like an obnoxious 12-year-old who parents enforce a bedtime ritual of brushing his teeth. Sab feels that rules/laws are unfair and oppressive because HE is all-knowing and all-wise and needs NO guidance what-so-ever. Apparently, he is confident that millions of others are also capable of governing themselves.
It's a "thing" with him.
And he doesn't need roads or police or fire services or anything. He is his own man. In his mind.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 05:07 PM   #25
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And he doesn't need roads or police or fire services or anything. He is his own man. In his mind.
But like Ayn Rand, when Medicare time comes, he won't have any problem participating in the largest taxpayer subsidized program in U.S. history. Talk is so cheap.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 05:34 PM   #26
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How do you pay for people who need health care but don't have insurance?
Who are these people who can't afford insurance? Would that number include illegal aliens? Or, indigent immigrants who should have been allowed in in the first place? If we remove those numbers, what's left?
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 06:01 PM   #27
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Who are these people who can't afford insurance? Would that number include illegal aliens? Or, indigent immigrants who should have been allowed in in the first place? If we remove those numbers, what's left?
Like it or not, you are paying for them with the current system anyway.

And most of them in fact are poor Americans.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 07:08 PM   #28
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Are you at least a pragmatist...

Because you have to realize that even if you don't like the fact that their problems impact you, it's still a fact.

You can say "fuck em" all you like. It doesn't make the situation go away.
And the truth is that they won't just "die out" in the next 5 to 10 to 20 years in any meaningful way to lessen the impact on your life.

Their problems are still your problems after that time.
And even worse, it'll just be a new group of people with the same problems moving into that age bracket.

Again, your position is illogical. Their problems impact you.
You just can't seem to comprehend that because you want to react in an emotional way that cuts the nose to spite your face.
While you want to say "F*** em", that's still F***ing you.

If we stop rewarding bad behavior there will be less of it. Will it completly go away, of course not. If you.dont buy insurance and you get sick you may die. The end.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 07:14 PM   #29
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But like Ayn Rand, when Medicare time comes, he won't have any problem participating in the largest taxpayer subsidized program in U.S. history. Talk is so cheap.
That is almost as lame of an argument as the roads one, almost.

Did the state confiscate some of her earnings under the guise of social security.
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And he doesn't need roads or police or fire services or anything. He is his own man. In his mind.


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“Who will build the roads?” is the question that belongs at the top of every libertarian drinking game. If we didn’t have forced labor, the argument runs, there would be no roads. There’d be a Sears store over there, and your house over here, and everyone involved would just be standing there scratching their heads.

Related to this is the traffic light question. Why, you libertarians must oppose traffic lights! I have no idea why people think so. This question would be up to the proprietor. And yet the evidence accumulates that traffic may flow more smoothly without them after all.

The Road Question, Yet Again | Tom Woods
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