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Old January 14th, 2018, 10:43 AM   #21
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That's not what this case involves.
This is a case where a student of a college(a relationship that lasts only a few years) has violated the code of conduct in a way that the people charged with enforcing the code have taken actions against the student.


Freedom of Speech protects you from the government, that's it, you say something your boss doesn't like, you're unemployed. They can't throw you in jail, but they can throw you out of the club.
This gets me back to a previous point;

If the Schools have specific standards on Freedom of Speech in people's personal lives, and Employers/Businesses have similar standards, then when & in what sense do we have Freedom of Speech?

Only if you(?):

(A) Own & operate your own business (i.e. you are your own employer)
(B ) You perpetually don't work nor get involved in any form of organization (as they are all essentially demanding constraints on Freedom of Speech based on their own arbitrary standards--even when you are not at work/school/said organization/ect. but also in your personal life (e.g. Facebook, YouTube, Blogs, conversations with others that can potentially go public, ect. ect.))

You call that a society that values "Freedom of Speech"?
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Old January 14th, 2018, 11:11 AM   #22
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This gets me back to a previous point;

If the Schools have specific standards on Freedom of Speech in people's personal lives, and Employers/Businesses have similar standards, then when & in what sense do we have Freedom of Speech?

Only if you(?):

(A) Own & operate your own business (i.e. you are your own employer)
(B ) You perpetually don't work nor get involved in any form of organization (as they are all essentially demanding constraints on Freedom of Speech based on their own arbitrary standards--even when you are not at work/school/said organization/ect. but also in your personal life (e.g. Facebook, YouTube, Blogs, conversations with others that can potentially go public, ect. ect.))

You call that a society that values "Freedom of Speech"?
Somewhere there a couple of axioms need to be factored in.

All rights have accompanying responsibilities.

Actions have consequences.

They my be platitudes, but they are correct.
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Old January 14th, 2018, 02:08 PM   #23
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This gets me back to a previous point;

If the Schools have specific standards on Freedom of Speech in people's personal lives, and Employers/Businesses have similar standards, then when & in what sense do we have Freedom of Speech?

Only if you(?):

(A) Own & operate your own business (i.e. you are your own employer)
(B ) You perpetually don't work nor get involved in any form of organization (as they are all essentially demanding constraints on Freedom of Speech based on their own arbitrary standards--even when you are not at work/school/said organization/ect. but also in your personal life (e.g. Facebook, YouTube, Blogs, conversations with others that can potentially go public, ect. ect.))

You call that a society that values "Freedom of Speech"?
Even if you own your own business, if you say something people find offensive, they will boycott your business, and you'll lose it.

Now in my current workplace, people don't say much about politics, enough so you know who voted for Hillary and who voted for Trump.
But if had a white supremacist web page, I'd probably be unemployed in short order.
I wouldn't go to jail, but it would hurt my prospects.
The Norman Rockwell series "The Four Freedoms" shows Freedom of Speech as a guy in workingman's clothes speaking at town meeting.

There are still quite a few towns in New England with Town Meeting, they have a hall or an auditorium, to get in you have to be registered to vote.
The Board of Selectmen is on stage and the chairman conducts the town meeting, the warrants are read, board members can speak in favor or against the warrant, and those in attendance can speak for or against the warrant and then the chairman calls a vote, and you stand and be counted.
It's all very democratic. It's been a while since I lived in a town, cities don't have town meetings. I got a choked up the first time I went, this is how that town was governed for over 350 years.

That's freedom of speech, when there's a warrant to appropriate funds to paint the stands at the high school, you can raise your hand , and when the chairman gives you the floor, you can say "Those stands look fine, I was last week, we can hold off another year or two." or you can say "Those stands need to painted, we need to support our high school team, and to provide the image of a town that cares for appearances".

That's freedom of speech, it's kind of mundane, unless you get beaten up by thugs who work for the painting company for opposing the repainting of the stands....

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Old January 14th, 2018, 02:46 PM   #24
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The consensus I am seeing is that the first amendment protects your speech from government suppression. It does not address schools, businesses etc.

I guess that would make publicly funded schools problematic from a legal perspective.
Schools are taxpayer funded
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Schools are taxpayer funded
Taxpayers ARE "the public."
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