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Old February 6th, 2018, 04:42 AM   #21
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Balderdash.
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If we support the separation of church and state, we are heathens. ...



separation of church and state - Of course it exists, Thomas Jefferson was quite clear on the concept, both in Virginia (Notes on the State of Virginia) & in the Bill of Rights.

As for the socialist, communist agenda - In 1776CE, there was no political socialism nor Communism (the First International met in 1866), (Marx & Engels were writing in the 1800s - their big hit was in 1848 ).

Offhand, I don't remember if there were public schools (as we think of them now) after the Revolution in the US. Public education then, as I recall, was mostly in the hands of the churches. & so their agenda would have been much more sectarian than political - although I'm sure their mission had political overtones to it.
It does not it, it is nowhere to be found in the Constitution, those words do not occur. I will state again, any law on religion was to keep corrupt politicians from harming the Church!
Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


See not in there, now there was prayer in schools before they wrote a law based on a yuuuugely misinterpreted amendment. They basically said it means what they say it means to appease secularism.
As far as pushing the socialist communist agenda in school, have we had schools since 1848 yes, not until much later did the educational system at the behest of the democrats start to push their agendas.
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It does not it, it is nowhere to be found in the Constitution, those words do not occur. I will state again, any law on religion was to keep corrupt politicians from harming the Church!
Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


See not in there, now there was prayer in schools before they wrote a law based on a yuuuugely misinterpreted amendment. They basically said it means what they say it means to appease secularism.
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Yah. The Founding Fathers could have established a state church, on the model of the UK & others. They did not, they chose instead a freestanding state & freestanding churches - the latter would rise & fall as their adherents wished. Separation of church & state is the name of the doctrine.
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Yah. The Founding Fathers could have established a state church, on the model of the UK & others. They did not, they chose instead a freestanding state & freestanding churches - the latter would rise & fall as their adherents wished. Separation of church & state is the name of the doctrine.


As usual, non-SENSE is cherry-picking and debating semantics. Thomas Jefferson referred to the separation of church and state OFTEN. The Supreme Court has used the term OFTEN.

"Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson and used by others in expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Wiki
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It does not it, it is nowhere to be found in the Constitution, those words do not occur. I will state again, any law on religion was to keep corrupt politicians from harming the Church!
Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


See not in there, now there was prayer in schools before they wrote a law based on a yuuuugely misinterpreted amendment. They basically said it means what they say it means to appease secularism.
As far as pushing the socialist communist agenda in school, have we had schools since 1848 yes, not until much later did the educational system at the behest of the democrats start to push their agendas.
Tell me non-Sense, if you think it's OK for the government or more specifically the local public school system to TELL MY CHILDREN when and where to PRAY, is that NOT TAKING AWAY MY RELIGIOUS RIGHTS ??? Is that NOT stripping away my rights to teach MY RELIGION to MY CHILDREN ?? Would that NOT be the government establishing a religion ?? How can you believe it's OK for a government official to force a Wiccan, Buddhist or Jewish kids to pray to Jesus ??

How would YOU feel if the Wiccans came in to hold a ritual in their class room ??
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BUT our worst offense? Our worst offense is questioning the sitting president
--his alley cat behavior--his disgusting potty mouth--his slimy lies, name-calling, meltdowns, tweets and juvenile behavior.
Everyone is guilty of this. In fact, I'm a little more assured when people do criticize a sitting president. What unnerves me sometimes is the fan base of sitting presidents accept no constructive criticism. RW does and so does the LW.

Constantly pointing this out makes me unpopular on both sides, i reckon?
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Lack of education and imagination.
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Aren't they so barbaric? Tristan, you know, these people are dangerous. Something needs to be done. I think stopping these people is the ultimate priority. This is how Nazi Germany started. Are you going to wait until you're in a concentration camp? You have to act preemptively, you have to kill this mad man before he kills you. There can be no compromise.

Come on, I know deep down you already want to. Take the leap. Rally your friends and commrades. Do away with this relic of the past. Make war.
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As usual, non-SENSE is cherry-picking and debating semantics. Thomas Jefferson referred to the separation of church and state OFTEN. The Supreme Court has used the term OFTEN.

"Separation of church and state" is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson and used by others in expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Wiki
Maybe but not for the reasons liberals think!
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Tell me non-Sense, if you think it's OK for the government or more specifically the local public school system to TELL MY CHILDREN when and where to PRAY, is that NOT TAKING AWAY MY RELIGIOUS RIGHTS ??? Is that NOT stripping away my rights to teach MY RELIGION to MY CHILDREN ?? Would that NOT be the government establishing a religion ?? How can you believe it's OK for a government official to force a Wiccan, Buddhist or Jewish kids to pray to Jesus ??

How would YOU feel if the Wiccans came in to hold a ritual in their class room ??
They allow teaching of Islam, in schools as well as Buddhism, and Hinduism, Taoism about everything they want. I do not want anyone forced however I do not want people forbidden!
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