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Old November 11th, 2015, 01:12 PM   #11
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Technically you're correct, but if the state does not defend your rights, you still must defend yourself against 200 crips who are better armed than you are.I know they do a terrible job, but the deterrent is still there.Too much legislation has passed. We need to pass one more; "All legislation having more words than the Constitution is hereby null and void".
Do you honestly want to go down this "crips" path. I thought you were joking but if this is an honest discussion on this specific subject sure. Let's start here

Who are these crips?

Where are you getting the number 200?

Is it because you have grabbed this random number that you automatically assume that they are better armed than me?

Why are they at my house?
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Old November 11th, 2015, 01:22 PM   #12
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Do you honestly want to go down this "crips" path. I thought you were joking but if this is an honest discussion on this specific subject sure. Let's start here

Who are these crips?

Where are you getting the number 200?

Is it because you have grabbed this random number that you automatically assume that they are better armed than me?
Yes. Be it Crips, Masons, Mafia or any large powerful group of thugs. The government is also a large powerful group of thugs, but at least they are constrained by the need for the appearance of legitimacy. I doubt you can single-handedly keep the Mafia or Crips at bay, unless you send them a large check every month (just like government only worse).
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Because you have stuff they want and taking it from you is easier than producing products/services of equal value to trade.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 01:41 PM   #13
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Yes. Be it Crips, Masons, Mafia or any large powerful group of thugs. The government is also a large powerful group of thugs, but at least they are constrained by the need for the appearance of legitimacy. I doubt you can single-handedly keep the Mafia or Crips at bay, unless you send them a large check every month (just like government only worse).Because you have stuff they want and taking it from you is easier than producing products/services of equal value to trade.
Who do they appear legitimate to? The sheeple? They will follow regardless. The state commits crimes daily that organized criminals couldn't even dream of.

What do I have that warrants the threat of hundreds of people? I have the means to produce something of that great of value don't you think I would have the foresight to form relationships to help protect it?
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Who do they appear legitimate to? The sheeple? They will follow regardless. The state commits crimes daily that organized criminals couldn't even dream of.
I agree with most of that, but keeping up appearances is a great hindrance to those who run gummits. If we had legitimate mass media, it would be very difficult for the gummit to engage in illegitimate endeavors. The mass media has long been our biggest problem.
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What do I have that warrants the threat of hundreds of people? I have the means to produce something of that great of value don't you think I would have the foresight to form relationships to help protect it?
If you have nothing and never intend to have anything, just live by the day, maybe Anarchism isn't that threatening to you. If you do have the means to produce services/goods of great value, the "relationships" you will have to form will be paying the Mafia for protection. Paying taxes to gummit is similar to this, but at least there is some modicum of certainty about your expenses and profit margin. Without any government, hardly anyone will be producing much of anything because of that great cloud of uncertainty.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 02:19 PM   #15
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I agree with most of that, but keeping up appearances is a great hindrance to those who run gummits. If we had legitimate mass media, it would be very difficult for the gummit to engage in illegitimate endeavors. The mass media has long been our biggest problem.If you have nothing and never intend to have anything, just live by the day, maybe Anarchism isn't that threatening to you. If you do have the means to produce services/goods of great value, the "relationships" you will have to form will be paying the Mafia for protection. Paying taxes to gummit is similar to this, but at least there is some modicum of certainty about your expenses and profit margin. Without any government, hardly anyone will be producing much of anything because of that great cloud of uncertainty.
You truly don't understand anarchism.

If I am in a community that has the means to produce something of value. Then we not only hold value to ourselves but that of our associates. You seem to be stuck in a barbarian mindset. W/ how advanced technology is and the elimination of government intervention the real question is why do you think this would occur?
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Which is why it has worked everywhere it has been attempted until it was crushed by outside forces. The only reason you don't think it works is because you've been told that it doesn't work. I don't mean that to be insulting, but actually study anarchist history, most of its attempts have been successful.


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I totally disagree. In terms of a modern society with our economic dependence on world-wide trade and the infrastructure needed to achieve it, anarchy couldn't build or maintain it.

It might work if you are willing to live in small, primitive communes. But as I have pointed out, as well as someone else, even the Indian tribes had a chief, sometimes elected, often hereditary, who was usually quite ruthless. Banishment was a common punishment. It was very much like a dictatorship or a collective leadership, the form most communist governments chose."


From a global perspective how self sufficient could the states actually be? Now divide them into 15,30,60,120. How truly dependent are we on the "world economy"

Now take the USD out of the equation.
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You truly don't understand anarchism.

If I am in a community that has the means to produce something of value. Then we not only hold value to ourselves but that of our associates. You seem to be stuck in a barbarian mindset. W/ how advanced technology is and the elimination of government intervention the real question is why do you think this would occur?
Humans are basically Barbarians. All through history men of all races and religions have raided and conquered and looted and pillaged with pride because they could. We're led to believe that we're now in some new age of great wisdom, but all they have done is use propaganda to make us into sheep so they can conquer and pillage us.

As long as there are humans, regardless of what type of gummit, there will ALWAYS be power struggles. This is the unfortunate truth we all must face.

No small community can stand up to a foreign military or well financed, armed and organized gangs.
Defense requires strong discipline and a willingness to fight to the death. An association of middle aged businessmen with AR-15's are not going to be able to resist the New World Order.
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Now take the USD out of the equation.
Take the USD out of the equation and use what?

You have advocated bitcoins, but that is still a fiat currency with a less stable backing, IMO.

Barter? I market eggs, you market cattle. Are you willing to take a cow's worth of eggs at one time. Can I save up a cow's worth of eggs without the old ones rotting on me by the time I accumulated them?

I just don't see it working without some type of currency.
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Old November 11th, 2015, 03:00 PM   #19
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Take the USD out of the equation and use what?

You have advocated bitcoins, but that is still a fiat currency with a less stable backing, IMO.

Barter? I market eggs, you market cattle. Are you willing to take a cow's worth of eggs at one time. Can I save up a cow's worth of eggs without the old ones rotting on me by the time I accumulated them?

I just don't see it working without some type of currency.
Local currencies will develop. And Bitcoin is only the tip of the iceberg. The real question is how necessary is a global economy?
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Old November 11th, 2015, 03:24 PM   #20
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Take the USD out of the equation and use what?

You have advocated bitcoins, but that is still a fiat currency with a less stable backing, IMO.
The Federal Reserve Note isn't backed by anything. They call it the Federal Reserve because it's not Federal and has no reserves. It's simply legalized counterfeiting backed by legal tender laws. Bitcoin isn't much better.
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I just don't see it working without some type of currency.
Yes, currency is convenient but the Federal Reserve is not. It is the biggest scam in the history of mankind.
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