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Old November 12th, 2015, 08:10 AM   #1
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Collectivism vs individualism

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Old November 12th, 2015, 08:34 AM   #2
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We are tribalistic. Collectivism is part of being human.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 08:48 AM   #3
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Both definitely have their faults and merits. I'm much more of an individualist myself, live alone way up in the mountains 3 miles from nearest neighbor which I see a couple times a year. I pretty much rely on myself for everything.

But I don't let it cloud my vision. I know that when or if there is a societal breakdown, shithitthefan event, total chaos, that collectivists will give a bullet in the back of the head and move in my house.
No matter how much of an individualist you are, you have to accept the fact that individuals cannot consistently compete for power against groups.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 09:03 AM   #4
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Did you watch the video?

It's not about tribalism
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Why should the collectivism/individualism question be reduced down to an either/or choice?
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Why should the collectivism/individualism question be reduced down to an either/or choice?
It probably should not. But, I think the real question is, does the collective have authority over the individual? That is truly the crux of the debate of Socialist Democratic rule verse Republic rule.
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Why should the collectivism/individualism question be reduced down to an either/or choice?
Watch the video.

It's on economic theory and the philosophy of what a society values more the rights of the individual of the needs of the hive.

It's a short blurb
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Watch the video.

It's on economic theory and the philosophy of what a society values more the rights of the individual of the needs of the hive.

It's a short blurb
I'd only watched a couple of minutes, hate lecture style learning, but I just watched it all.

I still believe: At times the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many, just as at times the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one....

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I'd only watched a couple of minutes, hate lecture style learning, but I just watched it all.

I still believe: At times the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many, just as at times the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one....

Right on. I love lectures.

I fear that this mentality is how we got on the road we are on now. Once that line has been crossed the grey area becomes so vast that almost anything can be justified as the "needs of the many" in this the sovereignty of the individual becomes blurred or even lost.
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More Libertarian stuff. I respect your right to be a Libertarian, but don't applaud your intellectual dishonesty in owning it.

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Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises (German: [ˈluːtvɪ fɔn ˈmiːzəs]; 29 September 1881 10 October 1973) was a theoretical Austrian School economist. He is best known for his work on praxeology, a study of human choice and action. Mises emigrated from Austria to the United States in 1940. Mises's writings have exerted significant influence on the libertarian movement in the United States since the mid-20th century.

Ludwig von Mises was born to Jewish parents in the city of Lemberg, in Galicia, Austria-Hungary (now L'viv, Ukraine). The family of his father Arthur Edler von Mises had been elevated to the Austrian nobility in the 19th century, and was involved in building and financing railroads. Ludwig's mother, Adele (born Landau), was a niece of Joachim Landau, a Liberal Party deputy to the Austrian Parliament.[1]:39 Arthur was stationed there as a construction engineer with Czernowitz railway company. At the age of twelve Ludwig spoke fluent German, Polish, and French, read Latin, and could understand Ukrainian.[2] Mises was the older brother of mathematician[3] Richard von Mises, a member of the Vienna Circle. When Ludwig and Richard were children, his family moved back to Vienna.[citation needed]

In 1900, he attended the University of Vienna,[4] becoming influenced by the works of Carl Menger. Mises's father died in 1903, and in 1906, Mises was awarded his doctorate from the school of law.[5]
Just another rich guy pushing his ideas of stealing from the middle class and poor.

For the record, I'm NOT Libertarian, so I vehemently disagree.
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