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Old January 23rd, 2016, 04:18 PM   #21
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Nothing of any real substance here. Your entire argument can be summed up as ''nuh uh.'' The closest you actually came to forming a counter-argument was two meaningless pictures, which is pretty sad, and ultimately you have completely failed to see that all of the problems in the US come from a lack of democracy. Only a minority here genuinely love the heavily corporatized nature of this place, but there's not much anyone can do about it because we're so heavily closed off from the government. Even if a reformist candidate like Bernie gets in it would still take a lot more than just his 4-8 years to actually get anything done. When the population is alienated from the state stagnation is inevitable, conflicting views aren't allowed, the US government is a pro-corporate state and changing that isn't going to happen any time soon. This is why your ideology is so pathetic, you want capitalism, just state capitalism with a nationalist paint job slapped on it. You would recreate the same problems we have here today in the US in your pitifully misguided attempt to fix it.
Apparently you didn't even read this thread. Give me a specific instance of anything I said anywhere that you disagree with. I will give you something more than a "nuh uh." I have been banned for about four days. So I am not quite up to speed. Yf you said anything earlier that you think my responst to was a "nuh uh," restate it. I can give you a response you will find it hard to dismiss.
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 04:46 PM   #22
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I don't even really fetishize democracy that much, but it is worrying that there are people seriously questioning one of the most crucial requirements for any society that wants to call itself civilized. I really wouldn't underestimate this threat either, people in the West are getting sick of their current conditions and instead of addressing the root of their problems many of them are simply going to buy into nationalist and neo-Nazi dribble. Hell, the only reason conservatives here support democracy is because it's seen as the traditional American form of government, they actually want stagnation and don't care about it's real virtues. It's just so overwhelmingly efficient compared to other forms of government. Autocratic regimes have only proven better at responding to a crisis or enacting reforms, but even that last bit is almost irrelevant because the odds of long-term reform in them are slim. There's actually a possibility that freemind's Nazi society would implement some seriously beneficial short-term reform, but give it a few years and it will recreate the same problems just like China has.
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You havent a clue. National socialism isn't my ideal form of government. But it is something we must pass through before moving on to anything better. For now, the biggest problem in this country is a multiethnic society. For example, the U.S. is a large country rich with natural resources and arable land. But in the much smaller Japan, they mostly have Japanese. In the much smaller Germany, they mostly have Germans. Now consider these stastics.
U.S. population. 319 million. Yearly value of exports, 1 trillion, 612 billion.
German population, 81.89 million. Yearly vlaue of exports, 1 trillion, 492 billion.
Japan population, 127.6 million. Yearly value of exports, 792 billion.

Because these countries don't have the same multiethnic bullshit to put up with, they kick our ass when it comes to exports. Though I think there should only be as much international trade as is absolutely necessary. Everything possible should be made locally. We also need to move away from capitalistic consumerism and move toward a more sustainable economy. It is because Germany and Japan don't have as much multiethnic crap to put up with that makes them more productive. And certainly more happy. To make the transition in this country that I spoke of, doing so without a multiethnic society would make the transition far easier.
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I see Hispanic, black, and white people interacting daily without any ''mutliethnic bullshit.'' People can get along just fine, and it would be a lot easier without others like you. You're just another apologist for capitalism, the same as the original Nazis in the 30's. Instead of addressing the economic problems in Germany at their source they pushed all the blame on ethnic minorities, much like yourself.
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Old January 24th, 2016, 04:24 AM   #24
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You havent a clue. National socialism isn't my ideal form of government. But it is something we must pass through before moving on to anything better. For now, the biggest problem in this country is a multiethnic society. For example, the U.S. is a large country rich with natural resources and arable land. But in the much smaller Japan, they mostly have Japanese. In the much smaller Germany, they mostly have Germans. Now consider these stastics.
U.S. population. 319 million. Yearly value of exports, 1 trillion, 612 billion.
German population, 81.89 million. Yearly vlaue of exports, 1 trillion, 492 billion.
Japan population, 127.6 million. Yearly value of exports, 792 billion.

Because these countries don't have the same multiethnic bullshit to put up with, they kick our ass when it comes to exports. Though I think there should only be as much international trade as is absolutely necessary. Everything possible should be made locally. We also need to move away from capitalistic consumerism and move toward a more sustainable economy. It is because Germany and Japan don't have as much multiethnic crap to put up with that makes them more productive. And certainly more happy. To make the transition in this country that I spoke of, doing so without a multiethnic society would make the transition far easier.
What a load of bullshit. You have clearly never been to Germany. Germany is full of non-native Germans who have German citizenship. You have no clue what you are even spewing now. It's all the same bigoted, racist bullshit anyway.

The only people who can't handle multiculturalism are the bigots, xenophobes and racists.
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What a load of bullshit. You have clearly never been to Germany. Germany is full of non-native Germans who have German citizenship. You have no clue what you are even spewing now. It's all the same bigoted, racist bullshit anyway.

The only people who can't handle multiculturalism are the bigots, xenophobes and racists.
I lived in Germany for 7 years, what did you see?
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I lived in Germany for 7 years, what did you see?
Did you now? What city or town did you live in? When was it?

I saw countless German citizens of Turkish descent, as most of us would expect. I also saw many others whose families immigrated there in the decades after WWII (to West Germany at the time), and they came from Greece, Italy, Spain, North Africa, West Africa, Middle East, and some Eastern European nations. Germany had a real manpower shortage after that war, as we can imagine, and needed immigrants to rebuild the country.

In the 1990s countless refugees from the Balkan wars immigrated to Germany. Many more came flooding in from the East after Communism fell. There were large communities of Polish, Russian, Albanian, Bulgarian, Romanian and of course the Roma as well. There were also large communities from India and China, as well as other Central and East Asian nations.

Germany is an extremely diverse country. It isn't all Hansel and Gretl dancing around in lederhosen at Oktoberfest anymore.
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Did you now? What city or town did you live in? When was it?

I saw countless German citizens of Turkish descent, as most of us would expect. I also saw many others whose families immigrated there in the decades after WWII (to West Germany at the time), and they came from Greece, Italy, Spain, North Africa, West Africa, Middle East, and some Eastern European nations. Germany had a real manpower shortage after that war, as we can imagine, and needed immigrants to rebuild the country.

In the 1990s countless refugees from the Balkan wars immigrated to Germany. Many more came flooding in from the East after Communism fell. There were large communities of Polish, Russian, Albanian, Bulgarian, Romanian and of course the Roma as well. There were also large communities from India and China, as well as other Central and East Asian nations.

Germany is an extremely diverse country. It isn't all Hansel and Gretl dancing around in lederhosen at Oktoberfest anymore.
Stuttgart and Mannheim, lived on the economy and the wife worked with German Dentist and private practice. The Wife's family is from N Austria and we jumped back and forth for visits and holiday.

Mannheim had Turk ghettos, and many of the German friends I had did not like Turks.

I lived in Germany when the wall came down and many, many, many Germans hated the East Germans.

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What a load of bullshit. You have clearly never been to Germany. Germany is full of non-native Germans who have German citizenship. You have no clue what you are even spewing now. It's all the same bigoted, racist bullshit anyway.

The only people who can't handle multiculturalism are the bigots, xenophobes and racists.
Do the letters F O hold any significance for you? Of course Germany is mainly populated with Germans. Just as France is mostly populated with French. Amd Italy is mostly populated with Italians. Etc. etc. etc. Also, with Germany being so limited in population, natural resources and arable land, I wonder whay it is that you think they kick our ass economically. The same holds true for Japan. And why do you think they do better in education. Or why they have free health care.

I am certain that it is because they don't have as much multiethnic bullshit to put up with. This gives them more of a sense of community. It also gives them a patriotic ideal that makes them happier to work harder. Though they don't work as hard as those in the U.S. have to, they still do more with it) On top of that, they are just happier, period. And it is well known that happier people are more productive people. As for your "racism" thing, I started a thread called, "Racism is good. Do you disagree?" If you want to tell me any of your brainwashed bullshit ideas about racism, I suggest that you read that thread let me know what you disagree with on that topic.
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Do the letters F O hold any significance for you? Of course Germany is mainly populated with Germans. Just as France is mostly populated with French. Amd Italy is mostly populated with Italians. Etc. etc. etc. Also, with Germany being so limited in population, natural resources and arable land, I wonder whay it is that you think they kick our ass economically. The same holds true for Japan. And why do you think they do better in education. Or why they have free health care.

I am certain that it is because they don't have as much multiethnic bullshit to put up with. This gives them more of a sense of community. It also gives them a patriotic ideal that makes them happier to work harder. Though they don't work as hard as those in the U.S. have to, they still do more with it) On top of that, they are just happier, period. And it is well known that happier people are more productive people. As for your "racism" thing, I started a thread called, "Racism is good. Do you disagree?" If you want to tell me any of your brainwashed bullshit ideas about racism, I suggest that you read that thread let me know what you disagree with on that topic.
In an article from 2012, mind you before the hundreds of thousands of refugees waltzed into Deutschland, already Germany had 20% of its population coming from an immigrant background. Yep, that's 1 in 5. So much for your ignorant bullshit about "they don't have as much multiethnic bullshit to put up with."

Stick to things you know, like dropping out of school and avoiding education. Leave the other topics to the rest of us.
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In an article from 2012, mind you before the hundreds of thousands of refugees waltzed into Deutschland, already Germany had 20% of its population coming from an immigrant background. Yep, that's 1 in 5. So much for your ignorant bullshit about "they don't have as much multiethnic bullshit to put up with."

Stick to things you know, like dropping out of school and avoiding education. Leave the other topics to the rest of us.
You truly are a fool. But maybe you know a little math. Let's see if you can figure out the percentage of this. The U.S. has 319 million people. 196 million are White. So what percentage of non-whites does the U.S. have. Even then, the number of people that our politically correct government would consider to be White aren't necessarily who I would consider to be White.
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