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Old January 28th, 2016, 09:24 AM   #1
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Staunch, Dyed in the wool.

I am new to this forum and must say I enjoy engaging staunch progressives and liberals. I have no bad feelings for individual opinions, I invite them.

I also enjoy engaging staunch Conservatives and Right wingers and the same goes for them, please share your opinion.

Moderates seem to be caught in no man land these days and get called out for it. One day your a prog, the next day you a winger.

I am a member of other political forums and I float around a bit (Keep the same name) never staying that long...maybe a year or two then move on. I do have a home forum or base. Taking in others "ways of thinking" and how the US is viewed from the inside. Unscientific as it may be I enjoy it.

I do not believe our founding fathers thought to much about the staunch or dyed in wool, the way the constitution is written it seems like they left us just enough rope to hang ourselves.

As I float around forum world the common denominator seems to be "Extreme" "Staunch" or "Dyed in the wool". Sure I see extreme different than you but never the less extreme is always present and sometimes called for.

I also look at other Nations and the same extreme exist, world history is full of examples. I cant find one Nations birth and journey throughout history to have a successful sustainable and stable government. All Nations have failed, reinvented themselves to survive or just swallowed up by another nation or outright slaughtered.

Which brings me back to the US. Sooner or later this nation will fall, I think it has started from both inside hand and outside influence.

I cant help but think we are incapable of governing. The US is a very young Nation and it did not take long for the Staunch and Dyed in the wool tribes to form and write laws for this nation, one size fits all.

Sorry if this is choppy, sometimes I am with clients.

My question is did our Constitution really stand a chance against man, culture and extremism? Hard to answer when being honest about our current domestic divisions and political climate.


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Old January 28th, 2016, 09:40 AM   #2
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My question is did our Constitution really stand a chance against man, culture and extremism?
No. Politics and political systems are overrated. The American population has gradually degenerated into vile human scum and no political system can address this issue. This is an issue of religion. As John Adams said:
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While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere, and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation, while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candour, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world. Because we have no government, armed with power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 09:48 AM   #3
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Thanks Franklin, I respect your thoughts on this. I am a non believer but go to church a few times a year, I enjoy the unity, family knowing families and the good vibes of people singing, hugging and coming together. I can find no other place that provides this for me. It recharges me with the humanity thing.

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Thanks Franklin, I respect your thoughts on this.
May I have your permission to etch the above words in stone ?

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Thanks Franklin, I respect your thoughts on this. I am a non believer but go to church a few times a year, I enjoy the unity, family knowing families and the good vibes of people singing, hugging and coming together. I can find no other place that provides this for me. It recharges me with the humanity thing.
Religion is mostly about morality, not belief. Christianity happens to be a faith-based religion but other religions work by other means. The point is that some religion is needed to support morality. I am not Christian but I am thinking about joining the Mennonites since they are successful at preserving morality as I mentioned here:

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America as a society is absolutely a lost cause and all decent people should look for a religious refuge from modern immorality, and this has nothing to do with belief.
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US Message Board, Political Forum is a little too high brow for me but I respond every once in a while. Welcome to the trenches.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 10:52 AM   #7
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Religion is mostly about morality, not belief. Christianity happens to be a faith-based religion but other religions work by other means. The point is that some religion is needed to support morality. I am not Christian but I am thinking about joining the Mennonites since they are successful at preserving morality as I mentioned here:

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America as a society is absolutely a lost cause and all decent people should look for a religious refuge from modern immorality, and this has nothing to do with belief.
someone needs to warn the mennonites that a psycho is in their midst!
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Religion is mostly about morality, not belief. Christianity happens to be a faith-based religion but other religions work by other means. The point is that some religion is needed to support morality. I am not Christian but I am thinking about joining the Mennonites since they are successful at preserving morality as I mentioned here:

The Mennonites

America as a society is absolutely a lost cause and all decent people should look for a religious refuge from modern immorality, and this has nothing to do with belief.
You are SOO wrong. The LAST thing we need is more religion in this country. Religion is not going to save us.

The ancient Jews slaughtered entire civilizations, at "God's command" of course. The Catholic church has spent the last two millennia committing untold atrocities. Everything from crusades and inquisitions to covering up their pedophile priests. The protestants are less violent but still spend an extraordinary amount of time, energy and money on spreading their particular brands of hatred and bigotry, which occasionally inspires violence. Killing abortion doctors, gays bashing etc. It wasn't that long ago good white Christians were using the bible to justify racism and segregation. Let's not even get started about the Muslims and their bullshit.

NO SIR, Region will NOT solve civilization problems, it IS ONE OF THE ROOT CAUSES of our problems. YOU are a prime example, it is your own religious extremism that fuels your hatred of this country. Besides, if the threat of eternal damnation and hell is the only thing keeping you from committing various sins and/or crimes ? You are NOT a good person. If God exists, then he already knows just what a vile ugly soul you have.

Morality is BULLSHIT. It is almost always relativistic. There are very few moral absolutes. There are almost always exceptions. Even killing another human being isn't always wrong. Death penalty, justifiable homicide ? Morality is almost always on a sliding scale. Whether or not person A did something "wrong" often depends less on what they did, but why they did it.

Almost every society on the planet, and most of the ones long since turned to dust, had some version of what we call the "golden rule". If not in so many words they had the basic concept.

Treat others the way you want to be treated. THAT is all we truly need, IF everyone lived by this concept, there'd be no crime, no war, no strife.

Sadly, humans are by nature selfish and greedy. They use numerous tools, including religion and morality to control other people and take for themselves.
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You are SOO wrong. The LAST thing we need is more religion in this country. Religion is not going to save us.

The ancient Jews slaughtered entire civilizations, at "God's command" of course. The Catholic church has spent the last two millennia committing untold atrocities. Everything from crusades and inquisitions to covering up their pedophile priests. The protestants are less violent but still spend an extraordinary amount of time, energy and money on spreading their particular brands of hatred and bigotry, which occasionally inspires violence. Killing abortion doctors, gays bashing etc. It wasn't that long ago good white Christians were using the bible to justify racism and segregation. Let's not even get started about the Muslims and their bullshit.

NO SIR, Region will NOT solve civilization problems, it IS ONE OF THE ROOT CAUSES of our problems. YOU are a prime example, it is your own religious extremism that fuels your hatred of this country. Besides, if the threat of eternal damnation and hell is the only thing keeping you from committing various sins and/or crimes ? You are NOT a good person. If God exists, then he already knows just what a vile ugly soul you have.

Morality is BULLSHIT. It is almost always relativistic. There are very few moral absolutes. There are almost always exceptions. Even killing another human being isn't always wrong. Death penalty, justifiable homicide ? Morality is almost always on a sliding scale. Whether or not person A did something "wrong" often depends less on what they did, but why they did it.

Almost every society on the planet, and most of the ones long since turned to dust, had some version of what we call the "golden rule". If not in so many words they had the basic concept.

Treat others the way you want to be treated. THAT is all we truly need, IF everyone lived by this concept, there'd be no crime, no war, no strife.

Sadly, humans are by nature selfish and greedy. They use numerous tools, including religion and morality to control other people and take for themselves.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 05:58 AM   #10
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Are you going to save me? My bold.
WHY ?? Do you need saving ?? Are you incapable of making meaningful decisions about right and wrong ??
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