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Old April 14th, 2016, 04:37 AM   #1
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Dear democratic socialists. An open letter.

Dear Democratic Socialist,

You probably don’t know us. And you’ve likely never heard of this newsletter — or our research service — before.

But we are, we would like you to know, equally as impassioned as you are about helping others lift themselves out of poverty.

And for that reason, we ask that you lend us your ear today to quickly explain our side.

We want to discuss with you, for a few moments, the truth about free markets. You might disagree with some of what we say, but you may also find some of it pleasantly surprising.

We hope you, in the end, lean toward the latter.

The free market, to us, means that 318 million Davids will… finally… be able to compete with the nation’s Goliaths. And raise their own, and everyone else’s, living standards in the process.

Many mistakenly believe we already have a free-market economy. And since we have plenty of ills to go around these days, many, understandably, believe the free market must be the source of those ills.

Yet nothing, in our humble opinions, could be further from the truth. Allow us to explain with a few examples…

ONE: The Freedom to Work Without Permission

First of all, in a free market, not one soul has the right to arrest (and kill) men like Eric Garner for selling “loosies” on the sidewalk. To do so would be a horrid and unnatural offense against the public.

Eric Garner, as you know, was arrested and subsequently murdered because the government wasn’t getting its cut on the sales of those ciggies.

If this sounds a little bit like mafia behavior, you’re not far off. (See: “We are the predators, they are they prey” video here where a group of NYPD whistleblowers admit that they prey on the defenseless, namely in poor black communities, in the name of quotas. And literally admit they are like the mafia.)

Group of NYPD

“At the end of the month, these officers who don’t have that arrest or those few summonses, they’re pressured to find something,” an NYPD officer says

The free market means that if a homeless man wants to make a living for himself shining shoes, just like Ronnie Forston, he doesn’t have to buy a $500 government permission slip (AKA permit) to do so or else risk getting arrested.

Forston, a homeless man in Atlanta was arrested seven times in 18 months for shining shoes on the street, because it’s… wait for it… illegal to do so on public property. But, wait. Public property, we are told, is preserved for the people’s interest. (Yeah, when you’re given permission first and pay up. Unless, of course, you have friends in high places.)

We wonder, then: How is Forston supposed to lift himself from poverty if he isn’t given even the dignity to work for a living in the public square? Would the state rather him beg? Well, obviously not. Even that’s becoming illegal in many cities, too.

What? Being poor is a crime now?

A free market means children can run lemonade stands without getting hassled by the cops. (See: The Inexplicable War on Lemonade Stands.) They can earn their own money, and they can learn valuable lessons in the process. Including the monetary and emotional gratification of serving their communities with something it wants and enjoys.

The free market means that starting a business does not have to be an expensive or complex ordeal. In fact, in a free market, selling what others want can be extremely cheap and simple when there is no one to report to or ask permission from — often as simple, in fact, as a lemonade stand.

The free market also means that individuals will no longer have to pay the government rent in order to keep their land — AKA property taxes.

Yes, the rent is too damn high. And property taxes (along with zoning restrictions, for that matter) aren’t helping.

(Also, while we’re on the subject, check out why HUD wants to ban people from living in small homes or RVs.)

Read the rest here



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The free market, to us, means that 318 million Davids will… finally… be able to compete with the nation’s Goliaths. And raise their own, and everyone else’s, living standards in the process.

Many mistakenly believe we already have a free-market economy. And since we have plenty of ills to go around these days, many, understandably, believe the free market must be the source of those ills.[/url]
We never had a free market economy under Republican majorities either, at least not in the last century. We wouldn't have a free market under Libertarians either, as they advocate international free markets which are impossible due to international power struggles. They try to pretend that economics and power struggles are separable, which they are not. Nations control each other with markets as well as arms.
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Dear Democratic Socialist,

You probably don’t know us. And you’ve likely never heard of this newsletter — or our research service — before.

But we are, we would like you to know, equally as impassioned as you are about helping others lift themselves out of poverty.

And for that reason, we ask that you lend us your ear today to quickly explain our side.

We want to discuss with you, for a few moments, the truth about free markets. You might disagree with some of what we say, but you may also find some of it pleasantly surprising.

We hope you, in the end, lean toward the latter.

The free market, to us, means that 318 million Davids will… finally… be able to compete with the nation’s Goliaths. And raise their own, and everyone else’s, living standards in the process.

Many mistakenly believe we already have a free-market economy. And since we have plenty of ills to go around these days, many, understandably, believe the free market must be the source of those ills.

Yet nothing, in our humble opinions, could be further from the truth. Allow us to explain with a few examples…

ONE: The Freedom to Work Without Permission

First of all, in a free market, not one soul has the right to arrest (and kill) men like Eric Garner for selling “loosies” on the sidewalk. To do so would be a horrid and unnatural offense against the public.

Eric Garner, as you know, was arrested and subsequently murdered because the government wasn’t getting its cut on the sales of those ciggies.

If this sounds a little bit like mafia behavior, you’re not far off. (See: “We are the predators, they are they prey” video here where a group of NYPD whistleblowers admit that they prey on the defenseless, namely in poor black communities, in the name of quotas. And literally admit they are like the mafia.)

Group of NYPD

“At the end of the month, these officers who don’t have that arrest or those few summonses, they’re pressured to find something,” an NYPD officer says

The free market means that if a homeless man wants to make a living for himself shining shoes, just like Ronnie Forston, he doesn’t have to buy a $500 government permission slip (AKA permit) to do so or else risk getting arrested.

Forston, a homeless man in Atlanta was arrested seven times in 18 months for shining shoes on the street, because it’s… wait for it… illegal to do so on public property. But, wait. Public property, we are told, is preserved for the people’s interest. (Yeah, when you’re given permission first and pay up. Unless, of course, you have friends in high places.)

We wonder, then: How is Forston supposed to lift himself from poverty if he isn’t given even the dignity to work for a living in the public square? Would the state rather him beg? Well, obviously not. Even that’s becoming illegal in many cities, too.

What? Being poor is a crime now?

A free market means children can run lemonade stands without getting hassled by the cops. (See: The Inexplicable War on Lemonade Stands.) They can earn their own money, and they can learn valuable lessons in the process. Including the monetary and emotional gratification of serving their communities with something it wants and enjoys.

The free market means that starting a business does not have to be an expensive or complex ordeal. In fact, in a free market, selling what others want can be extremely cheap and simple when there is no one to report to or ask permission from — often as simple, in fact, as a lemonade stand.

The free market also means that individuals will no longer have to pay the government rent in order to keep their land — AKA property taxes.

Yes, the rent is too damn high. And property taxes (along with zoning restrictions, for that matter) aren’t helping.

(Also, while we’re on the subject, check out why HUD wants to ban people from living in small homes or RVs.)

Read the rest here



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Dear Democratic Socialist,

You probably don’t know us. And you’ve likely never heard of this newsletter — or our research service — before.

But we are, we would like you to know, equally as impassioned as you are about helping others lift themselves out of poverty.

And for that reason, we ask that you lend us your ear today to quickly explain our side.

We want to discuss with you, for a few moments, the truth about free markets. You might disagree with some of what we say, but you may also find some of it pleasantly surprising.

We hope you, in the end, lean toward the latter.

The free market, to us, means that 318 million Davids will… finally… be able to compete with the nation’s Goliaths. And raise their own, and everyone else’s, living standards in the process.

Many mistakenly believe we already have a free-market economy. And since we have plenty of ills to go around these days, many, understandably, believe the free market must be the source of those ills.

Yet nothing, in our humble opinions, could be further from the truth. Allow us to explain with a few examples…

ONE: The Freedom to Work Without Permission

First of all, in a free market, not one soul has the right to arrest (and kill) men like Eric Garner for selling “loosies” on the sidewalk. To do so would be a horrid and unnatural offense against the public.

Eric Garner, as you know, was arrested and subsequently murdered because the government wasn’t getting its cut on the sales of those ciggies.

If this sounds a little bit like mafia behavior, you’re not far off. (See: “We are the predators, they are they prey” video here where a group of NYPD whistleblowers admit that they prey on the defenseless, namely in poor black communities, in the name of quotas. And literally admit they are like the mafia.)

Group of NYPD

“At the end of the month, these officers who don’t have that arrest or those few summonses, they’re pressured to find something,” an NYPD officer says

The free market means that if a homeless man wants to make a living for himself shining shoes, just like Ronnie Forston, he doesn’t have to buy a $500 government permission slip (AKA permit) to do so or else risk getting arrested.

Forston, a homeless man in Atlanta was arrested seven times in 18 months for shining shoes on the street, because it’s… wait for it… illegal to do so on public property. But, wait. Public property, we are told, is preserved for the people’s interest. (Yeah, when you’re given permission first and pay up. Unless, of course, you have friends in high places.)

We wonder, then: How is Forston supposed to lift himself from poverty if he isn’t given even the dignity to work for a living in the public square? Would the state rather him beg? Well, obviously not. Even that’s becoming illegal in many cities, too.

What? Being poor is a crime now?

A free market means children can run lemonade stands without getting hassled by the cops. (See: The Inexplicable War on Lemonade Stands.) They can earn their own money, and they can learn valuable lessons in the process. Including the monetary and emotional gratification of serving their communities with something it wants and enjoys.

The free market means that starting a business does not have to be an expensive or complex ordeal. In fact, in a free market, selling what others want can be extremely cheap and simple when there is no one to report to or ask permission from — often as simple, in fact, as a lemonade stand.

The free market also means that individuals will no longer have to pay the government rent in order to keep their land — AKA property taxes.

Yes, the rent is too damn high. And property taxes (along with zoning restrictions, for that matter) aren’t helping.

(Also, while we’re on the subject, check out why HUD wants to ban people from living in small homes or RVs.)

Read the rest here



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