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Old February 25th, 2018, 04:56 AM   #1
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Some 2nd Amendment History

Ever see the movie "Django Unchained"?? Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained asks, “Why don’t they just rise up [slaves] and kill the whites?” If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.

Ever wonder why the 2nd Amendment....was/is an amendment??
Curious about the wording of the 2nd Amendment?

James Madison, who had (at Jefferson’s insistence) already begun to prepare proposed amendments to the Constitution, changed his first draft of one that addressed the militia issue to make sure it was unambiguous that the southern states could maintain their slave patrol militias.

His first draft for what became the Second Amendment had said: “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country [emphasis mine]: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.”


There's much more: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/sec...serve-slavery/
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Slavery was ended over a century ago, at least it was supposed to be, based on what it says in the same Constitution. What's this about - why is it in the political ideologies section? Is the Democratic party planning on becoming more overt about trying to bring back slavery, or something?
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Old February 25th, 2018, 05:30 AM   #3
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The Second Amendment is one of those stupid laws we get stuck with, that gets assigned a stupid meaning and produces disastrous results, and has huge support amongst morons, so we can't repeal it, until it becomes really obvious what a stupid law it is.
And we got hundreds of school shootings and thousands of dead kids to go before we get there.
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Right wingers conveniently misrepresent the Second Amendment as an absolute. There are no absolutes in life. Never was.
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Old February 25th, 2018, 05:49 AM   #5
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Slavery was ended over a century ago, at least it was supposed to be, based on what it says in the same Constitution. What's this about - why is it in the political ideologies section? Is the Democratic party planning on becoming more overt about trying to bring back slavery, or something?


Isn't/wasn't slavery a political ideology? No one wants to bring back slavery--at least no one that I know.

This is a discussion about the original intent (or at least ONE of the intents) of the 2nd amendment...and WHY it became an amendment.
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Slavery was ended over a century ago, at least it was supposed to be, based on what it says in the same Constitution. What's this about - why is it in the political ideologies section? Is the Democratic party planning on becoming more overt about trying to bring back slavery, or something?
Are you totally unaware of the party shift that happened in the 20th century? You know when all those Southern Democrats became Republicans and carried on with their racist bullshit......

And those Radical Republicans that were activists to abolish slavery, yeah they were not present day conservative Republicans.

I cant believe that even has to be said.
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Old February 25th, 2018, 07:06 AM   #7
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The Second Amendment is one of those stupid laws we get stuck with, that gets assigned a stupid meaning and produces disastrous results, and has huge support amongst morons, so we can't repeal it, until it becomes really obvious what a stupid law it is.
And we got hundreds of school shootings and thousands of dead kids to go before we get there.
For one thing, it's not a law; it's something that bars certain laws and it's part of the Bill of Rights.

The reason the 2nd Amendment is there, ought to remain there for eternity, and ought to be recognized as a human right worldwide for eternity, is because we exist in a reality where we're mortal human beings who can and do make a weapons or other harmful things to be violent with one another, for the purpose of repressing or destroying each other. Weapons and other harmful things are not things that didn't exist prior to & spawned into existence after the Bill of Rights was written - I mean, is that what you people think? Or, do you guys also think that speech, the press, religion, or people assembling (peacefully) were things that did not exist before the 1st Amendment was written, either & does the same go with the rest of the Bill of Rights? If so at least you guys are consistent with your distorted or backwards perception of reality.

No law can be written to protect us from everything, even if it's a law that places everyone under perpetual house arrest; even then, all it takes is for someone who makes the choice to ignore such a law, pick up a 2x4 or stone, go to someone else's house, and bash their head in. All you do when you pass laws restricting or banning people from keeping & bearing of arms is to make it much more difficult for some people to protect themselves against being the victims of attacks, such as what we're seeing happen repeatedly in schools, or movie theaters, or night clubs, etc. There's a very good reason for why we're "stuck" (as you so scornfully put it) with it & the rest of the Bill of Rights.

Yeah, there have been attempts to assign it stupid meanings with huge support amongst morons for it, such as that "people" doesn't really mean people, or "regulated" means the contemporary commandeered & repurposed version & that different context; and yes they do produce disastrous results as a result of the Gun-Free School Zones Act signed into law by George H.W. Bush that has made all our school children very vulnerable to such attacks; and yes, this stupid law does need to be repealed before it happens yet again.
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Right wingers conveniently misrepresent the Second Amendment as an absolute. There are no absolutes in life. Never was.
I'm not sure about about Right wingers misrepresenting it in any way - maybe so, but Left wingers certainly do put an effort into trying to misrepresenting it (as well, at least).
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Slavery was ended over a century ago, at least it was supposed to be, based on what it says in the same Constitution. What's this about - why is it in the political ideologies section? Is the Democratic party planning on becoming more overt about trying to bring back slavery, or something?
Here's a crazy idea. Why don't you discuss what is actually said in the OP instead of what the voices in your head are telling you? OK?
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Isn't/wasn't slavery a political ideology?
I didn't make the claim or argument that it isn't/wasn't a political ideology (or part of one).

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No one wants to bring back slavery--at least no one that I know.
I think the Democrats, or the Left, wants to & is trying to bring it back (not necessarily in the same way as we had it during the pre-Civil War era, BTW).

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This is a discussion about the original intent (or at least ONE of the intents) of the 2nd amendment...and WHY it became an amendment.
Alright.
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