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Old September 5th, 2012, 07:38 PM   #1
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It all began with "foo-fighters" observed by the air forces engaged in WWII. Each side thought the other side had some "secret weapon." Neither side did.



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New Book Chronicles Official Government UFO Investigations



Many do not realize that for several decades the United States took UFO reports very seriously. In fact, it was the Air Force that coined the term UFO in the first place. Furthermore, there are several governments around the world who still take UFO reports very seriously and continue to investigate them in an official capacity. All of these government-sponsored UFO investigations have been documented like never before in the new book, UFO's and Government: A Historical Inquiry.



The cover of the book says it is a history of government UFO investigations "from the perspectives of the governments themselves." That is because the authors have undergone years of painstaking research, unearthing hundreds of official government documents from government and university archives chronicling the manner in which government agencies went about tackling the UFO phenomenon and why they even bothered.



The book begins during World War II when many Allied pilots in the European campaign reported witnessing balls of light following their aircraft and eventually flying off at great speeds. They were dubbed "Foo Fighters." After the war the military inquired of the Germans and Russians as to what these Foo Fighters were. Their response was that they had also witnessed the mysterious balls of light, and had assumed them to be secret weapons of the United States. Thus began over two decades of investigation as to what these unidentified flying objects were and whether or not they posed a threat.



Reports of UFOs of varying shapes and sizes increased steadily into the 50s. After sightings over Washington, D.C., President Truman tasked the CIA to look into the matter. They convened the Robertson Panel, which determined that the phenomenon did not pose a direct threat; however, they did worry that it could pose a psychological threat that could be exploited by the Russians.



Over half of the humongous 600 page, 8 1/2 by 11" book reviews hundreds of files demonstrating the serious nature in which every branch of the United States military, the CIA and the FBI took into investigating the flood of UFO reports coming in from the public, the military and even law enforcement personnel.



Eventually, due to the conclusions of an independent panel of investigators in 1969 with the University of Colorado, commissioned by the Air Force, official UFO investigations in the United States ended. The panel concluded that there was no scientific benefit to the study of UFOs. However, the authors dedicate a chapter to UFO investigation that took place post-1969, demonstrating that there have been a number of important sightings that the Air Force could not ignore.



One of these incredible events took place over two days at Loring Air Force base in Maine in October 1975. The first day's event was in the evening when security police saw a craft with red blinking lights fly in and then began circling the base. It came within 300 yards of a nuclear storage area and was tracked on radar before disappearing. It was thought at the time that it could have been a wayward helicopter. However, it apparently returned the next night. This time the crew of a B-52 bomber reported seeing a large football shaped object the length of four cars.



Although the United States ended its official investigations, other countries have continued to research the issue. News of the British Ministry of Defence's official UFO Desk closing has made headlines recently. However, the best example of a strong scientific effort has been France's GEIPAN, an organization that works with the National Center of Space Sciences (CNES), the French version of NASA. They post their findings on their website. A couple of their landmark cases include alleged UFO landings in which they felt the evidence supported witness testimony. In one of these cases laboratories found strange effects to the chlorophyll in plants removed from a circular depression where the alleged UFO had reportedly landed. They theorized the effect was a result of an electromagnetic field.



I asked co-author Robert Powell why he felt this book is important. He told me:


[indent=1]Several of the authors, I would say, have spent 30 to 40 years of their life thoroughly investigating this phenomenon. These aren't people who are jumping to conclusions. We don't talk about aliens; we don't talk about necessarily what's the cause. We talk about how the government reacted to the phenomenon, and it's a real reaction. It's a serious reaction, and this reaction probably still goes on today, but not in an open forum as it used to do.[/indent]


This book is a hallmark piece of work that people curious about the UFO phenomenon, whether they be skeptics or convinced that UFOs pose a real mystery, need to read. It documents the government's involvement in UFO research in a way that has never been done before.




http://www.huffingto..._b_1856461.html
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There was a time in our history where the government hid many secrets from the citizens for fear they would panic.This included information about foods, vaccines, human testing and the like.And itís odd that most people today think the government is more transparent because they donít hide so much information anymore.



I donít think that is true at all.This is a perfect case in point.



Many military, police, NASA and scientists have reported seeing things in the sky they just couldnít explain.Itís hard to write off every single one of these professional people as crackpots who just saw a weather balloon.But thatís the company line they keep feeding us.



Neil Armstrong saw something he couldnít explain on the way to the moon.



We have government sponsored programs that actively seek intelligent life in the galaxy.



Wouldnít it make more sense to stop the cover up and simply come clean and let the chips fall where they may?Or maybe it is just the fact that they donít want to reveal that such a huge effort has been put forth to cover things up for so long.Itís not the facts they are they are worried about, itís looking like a long chain of fools.
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There was a time in our history where the government hid many secrets from the citizens for fear they would panic.This included information about foods, vaccines, human testing and the like.And itís odd that most people today think the government is more transparent because they donít hide so much information anymore.



I donít think that is true at all.This is a perfect case in point.



Many military, police, NASA and scientists have reported seeing things in the sky they just couldnít explain.Itís hard to write off every single one of these professional people as crackpots who just saw a weather balloon.But thatís the company line they keep feeding us.



Neil Armstrong saw something he couldnít explain on the way to the moon.



We have government sponsored programs that actively seek intelligent life in the galaxy.



Wouldnít it make more sense to stop the cover up and simply come clean and let the chips fall where they may?Or maybe it is just the fact that they donít want to reveal that such a huge effort has been put forth to cover things up for so long.Itís not the facts they are they are worried about, itís looking like a long chain of fools.


After decades of consideration, I think it comes down to this, PP.



If the US government admitted to the existence of UFO and ETs, then it would be admitting to and inability to provide security from possible outside threats. It would be admitting that it's not as powerful as it would like everyone to believe.



Probably, that's never happening. Probably, only a UFO landing on the White House lawn will stop the denial as it would take the "U" out of UFO.
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Are there UFOs?



Absolutely, without a doubt, 100% certain.



Of course UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object...if you see something in the sky and you don't know what it is....that's a UFO



Are UFO's alien spacecraft?



Almost absolutely sure they are not.
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Are there UFOs?



Absolutely, without a doubt, 100% certain.



Of course UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object...if you see something in the sky and you don't know what it is....that's a UFO



Are UFO's alien spacecraft?



Almost absolutely sure they are not.




All you reveal with that statement is you have not bothered to study with an open mind. You're not alone.



It's no surprise. To be comfortable, you need to think you know all you need to know. You're not alone.



Thousands of highly qualified people have seen phenomena that will not succumb to any naturalistic explanation. Does that prove these phenomena are alien craft? No. Does it indicate they they are? Yep.
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Are there UFOs?



Absolutely, without a doubt, 100% certain.



Of course UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object...if you see something in the sky and you don't know what it is....that's a UFO



Are UFO's alien spacecraft?



Almost absolutely sure they are not.




All you reveal with that statement is you have not bothered to study with an open mind. You're not alone.



It's no surprise. To be comfortable, you need to think you know all you need to know. You're not alone.



Thousands of highly qualified people have seen phenomena that will not succumb to any naturalistic explanation. Does that prove these phenomena are alien craft? No. Does it indicate they they are? Yep.


It indicates no such thing. The only thing you can state categorically is that they saw something that could not be identified, thus it is UNidentified.



Meanwhile the laws of physics and rules of logic cast SERIOUS doubt on these unidentified objects being some kind of interstellar craft.
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Originally Posted by imaginethat' timestamp='1346985206' post='426138

[quote name='Nwolfe35' timestamp='1346984457' post='426136']

Are there UFOs?



Absolutely, without a doubt, 100% certain.



Of course UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object...if you see something in the sky and you don't know what it is....that's a UFO



Are UFO's alien spacecraft?



Almost absolutely sure they are not.




All you reveal with that statement is you have not bothered to study with an open mind. You're not alone.



It's no surprise. To be comfortable, you need to think you know all you need to know. You're not alone.



Thousands of highly qualified people have seen phenomena that will not succumb to any naturalistic explanation. Does that prove these phenomena are alien craft? No. Does it indicate they they are? Yep.


It indicates no such thing. The only thing you can state categorically is that they saw something that could not be identified, thus it is UNidentified.



Meanwhile the laws of physics and rules of logic cast SERIOUS doubt on these unidentified objects being some kind of interstellar craft.

[/quote]



Honestly stated, you meant "our understanding" of the laws of physics and logic.



You've never open-mindedly investigated UFO sightings, if you've investigated them at all. Had you done so, you would not hold the position you hold, logically speaking.
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Originally Posted by Nwolfe35' timestamp='1346987296' post='426146

[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1346985206' post='426138']

[quote name='Nwolfe35' timestamp='1346984457' post='426136']

Are there UFOs?



Absolutely, without a doubt, 100% certain.



Of course UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object...if you see something in the sky and you don't know what it is....that's a UFO



Are UFO's alien spacecraft?



Almost absolutely sure they are not.




All you reveal with that statement is you have not bothered to study with an open mind. You're not alone.



It's no surprise. To be comfortable, you need to think you know all you need to know. You're not alone.



Thousands of highly qualified people have seen phenomena that will not succumb to any naturalistic explanation. Does that prove these phenomena are alien craft? No. Does it indicate they they are? Yep.


It indicates no such thing. The only thing you can state categorically is that they saw something that could not be identified, thus it is UNidentified.



Meanwhile the laws of physics and rules of logic cast SERIOUS doubt on these unidentified objects being some kind of interstellar craft.

[/quote]



Honestly stated, you meant "our understanding" of the laws of physics and logic.



You've never open-mindedly investigated UFO sightings, if you've investigated them at all. Had you done so, you would not hold the position you hold, logically speaking.

[/quote]



Because I have not reached the same conclusions you have means I haven't "open mindedly investigated" it?
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Originally Posted by imaginethat' timestamp='1346988401' post='426149

[quote name='Nwolfe35' timestamp='1346987296' post='426146']

[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1346985206' post='426138']

[quote name='Nwolfe35' timestamp='1346984457' post='426136']

Are there UFOs?



Absolutely, without a doubt, 100% certain.



Of course UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object...if you see something in the sky and you don't know what it is....that's a UFO



Are UFO's alien spacecraft?



Almost absolutely sure they are not.




All you reveal with that statement is you have not bothered to study with an open mind. You're not alone.



It's no surprise. To be comfortable, you need to think you know all you need to know. You're not alone.



Thousands of highly qualified people have seen phenomena that will not succumb to any naturalistic explanation. Does that prove these phenomena are alien craft? No. Does it indicate they they are? Yep.


It indicates no such thing. The only thing you can state categorically is that they saw something that could not be identified, thus it is UNidentified.



Meanwhile the laws of physics and rules of logic cast SERIOUS doubt on these unidentified objects being some kind of interstellar craft.

[/quote]



Honestly stated, you meant "our understanding" of the laws of physics and logic.



You've never open-mindedly investigated UFO sightings, if you've investigated them at all. Had you done so, you would not hold the position you hold, logically speaking.

[/quote]



Because I have not reached the same conclusions you have means I haven't "open mindedly investigated" it?

[/quote]



Have you? Have you examined the 1952 Washington D.C. sightings? The Belgian triangle flap that resulted in the Belgian military holding a news conference, explaining that the objects had been tracked by radar and that several times F-16 jets were scrambled to intercept?



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Over the next hour the two scrambled F-16s attempted nine separate interceptions of the targets. On three occasions they managed to obtain a radar lock for a few seconds but each time the targets changed position and speed so rapidly that the lock was broken. During the first radar lock, the target accelerated from 240 km/h to over 1,770 km/h while changing altitude from 2,700 m to 1,500 m, then up to 3,350 m before descending to almost ground level Ė the first descent of more than 900 m taking less than two seconds. Similar manoeuvres were observed during both subsequent radar locks. On no occasion were the F-16 pilots able to make visual contact with the targets and at no point, despite the speeds involved, was there any indication of a sonic boom. Moreover, narrator Robert Stack added in an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, the sudden changes in acceleration and deceleration would have been fatal to one or more human pilots.



During this time, ground witnesses broadly corroborate the information obtained by radar. They described seeing the smaller triangle completely disappear from sight at one point, while the larger triangle moved upwards very rapidly as the F-16s flew past. After 00:30 radar contact became much more sporadic and the final confirmed lock took place at 00:40. This final lock was once again broken by an acceleration from around 160 km/h to 1,120 km/h after which the radar of the F-16s and those at Glons and Semmerzake all lost contact. Following several further unconfirmed contacts the F-16s eventually returned to base shortly after 01:00.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave



Trying to explain the above in naturalistic terms is no different than believing in invisible pink unicorns.
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Originally Posted by Nwolfe35' timestamp='1347076881' post='426406

[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1346988401' post='426149']

[quote name='Nwolfe35' timestamp='1346987296' post='426146']

[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1346985206' post='426138']

[quote name='Nwolfe35' timestamp='1346984457' post='426136']

Are there UFOs?



Absolutely, without a doubt, 100% certain.



Of course UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object...if you see something in the sky and you don't know what it is....that's a UFO



Are UFO's alien spacecraft?



Almost absolutely sure they are not.




All you reveal with that statement is you have not bothered to study with an open mind. You're not alone.



It's no surprise. To be comfortable, you need to think you know all you need to know. You're not alone.



Thousands of highly qualified people have seen phenomena that will not succumb to any naturalistic explanation. Does that prove these phenomena are alien craft? No. Does it indicate they they are? Yep.


It indicates no such thing. The only thing you can state categorically is that they saw something that could not be identified, thus it is UNidentified.



Meanwhile the laws of physics and rules of logic cast SERIOUS doubt on these unidentified objects being some kind of interstellar craft.

[/quote]



Honestly stated, you meant "our understanding" of the laws of physics and logic.



You've never open-mindedly investigated UFO sightings, if you've investigated them at all. Had you done so, you would not hold the position you hold, logically speaking.

[/quote]



Because I have not reached the same conclusions you have means I haven't "open mindedly investigated" it?

[/quote]



Have you? Have you examined the 1952 Washington D.C. sightings? The Belgian triangle flap that resulted in the Belgian military holding a news conference, explaining that the objects had been tracked by radar and that several times F-16 jets were scrambled to intercept?



Quote:
Over the next hour the two scrambled F-16s attempted nine separate interceptions of the targets. On three occasions they managed to obtain a radar lock for a few seconds but each time the targets changed position and speed so rapidly that the lock was broken. During the first radar lock, the target accelerated from 240 km/h to over 1,770 km/h while changing altitude from 2,700 m to 1,500 m, then up to 3,350 m before descending to almost ground level Ė the first descent of more than 900 m taking less than two seconds. Similar manoeuvres were observed during both subsequent radar locks. On no occasion were the F-16 pilots able to make visual contact with the targets and at no point, despite the speeds involved, was there any indication of a sonic boom. Moreover, narrator Robert Stack added in an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, the sudden changes in acceleration and deceleration would have been fatal to one or more human pilots.



During this time, ground witnesses broadly corroborate the information obtained by radar. They described seeing the smaller triangle completely disappear from sight at one point, while the larger triangle moved upwards very rapidly as the F-16s flew past. After 00:30 radar contact became much more sporadic and the final confirmed lock took place at 00:40. This final lock was once again broken by an acceleration from around 160 km/h to 1,120 km/h after which the radar of the F-16s and those at Glons and Semmerzake all lost contact. Following several further unconfirmed contacts the F-16s eventually returned to base shortly after 01:00.
http://en.wikipedia....elgian_UFO_wave



Trying to explain the above in naturalistic terms is no different than believing in invisible pink unicorns.

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http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=162
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