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Old November 15th, 2006, 05:40 AM   #1
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What The Heck?

As I was driving to a meeting at 6:30 this morning, I heard a short "news blurb" on the radio.



It said polls show that over 60% of Americans don't believe the Democrats have any plan or strategy for the War in Iraq.



Because I was driving, and because I wasn't listening carefully until that moment, I don't know the source of that poll.



But it got me wondering...



Everything I've heard and read leads me to believe that last week's election was a referendum on on the War in Iraq. Americans disaprove of the way Bush & the Republican Congress are handling it. This seems pretty legit.



But why would we vote in Democrats whom over half of Americans feel "have no plan or strategy for the War in Iraq"?



So what gives? Was the election really a referendum on Iraq, just a vote of hatred toward Bush, what?



I'm not so much interested in arguing here, but this whole thing has me curious.
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Old November 15th, 2006, 07:49 AM   #2
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The vote was a "I don't like Bush" vote and that was all it was. That was all they campaigned plus "the culture of corruption". Then who does Pelosi want to put up front? Murtha. What a joke. The guy is a dirt bag. His sleaziness is legendary. Liberal politics as usual.
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Old November 15th, 2006, 09:02 AM   #3
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I really think the Dems took advantage of the so called 'the GOP's failed war policy in Iraq' and used that as their main weapon in their campaign slogans. But have they offered any 'plan of attack' with Iraq? No... they have not.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 01:57 AM   #4
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But why would we vote in Democrats whom over half of Americans feel "have no plan or strategy for the War in Iraq"?


What other choice do we have in American politics? We have a two party system.



There will never be true democracy in America until we have more than 2 parties in the mix. This is why I strongly support progressive election reform such as implementing Instant Runoff Voting. We are in dire need of supporting something else besides the other side of the same coin. So long as only dems and reps have all the power 300 million very diverse citizens are merely fish hooked on a line.
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What other choice do we have in American politics? We have a two party system.



There will never be true democracy in America until we have more than 2 parties in the mix. This is why I strongly support progressive election reform such as implementing Instant Runoff Voting. We are in dire need of supporting something else besides the other side of the same coin. So long as only dems and reps have all the power 300 million very diverse citizens are merely fish hooked on a line.


Fair enough.



But was last week's election really about the War in Iraq, or was it just that American's don't like Bush?
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Old November 19th, 2006, 06:53 PM   #6
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Fair enough.



But was last week's election really about the War in Iraq, or was it just that American's don't like Bush?


They go hand in hand. If you don't support the war you don't like Bush.

I think there are people that DO support the war and still don't like Bush however.



It is safe to say the war was probably the most influential factor in the recent election. It isn't going well at all. It was a mistake to enter such a war and it had nothing to do with 9/11 (like Bush and his administration wanted us to believe).



It is why I marched against the war.
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Old November 20th, 2006, 05:07 AM   #7
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They go hand in hand. If you don't support the war you don't like Bush.

1. I think there are people that DO support the war and still don't like Bush however.



2. It is safe to say the war was probably the most influential factor in the recent election. It isn't going well at all. 3. It was a mistake to enter such a war and it had nothing to do with 9/11 (like Bush and his administration wanted us to believe).



It is why I marched against the war.


1. I'm sure that's true. But you don't really hear much from them, or anything about them do you?



2. That's true, and probably true. I don't think it's going well. However, the media is NOT going to tell us the whole story. Blood & gore sells. Peace and ho-hum do not.



3. I think that you'd admit to that being your OPINION - that it was a mistake, etc.
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1. I'm sure that's true. But you don't really hear much from them, or anything about them do you?



2. That's true, and probably true. I don't think it's going well. However, the media is NOT going to tell us the whole story. Blood & gore sells. Peace and ho-hum do not.



3. I think that you'd admit to that being your OPINION - that it was a mistake, etc.




1. You usually hear from them in regards to the budget and constitutional rights. They want less government spending, as Bush has spent money like a liberal (but on different things than a liberal would). And they don't like their rights/privacy stripped in the name of security.



2. There is neither peace nor ho-hum in Iraq. Blood & gore, unfortunately, is exactly what is going on there. This war has been covered by international media more than any other war in history, using the latest technology, and it has turned out that their reporting has been incredibly accurate. American media less so (more bias).



3. Absolutely. I admit it was my opinion that attacking a nation that posed no threat to us was immoral and wrong. I felt the lessons learned from vietnam were forgotten when considering Iraq and I could see through the lies of a connection to 9/11 and WMD. That is why I marched against the war. Everything that has happened since has only confirmed that I was correct.
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It is, of coarse, because the Republicans lost this election; the Democrats did not win it. At least the Democrats have the chance to prove themselves now, but unfortunately it seems as if they are already putting to waste the want of change in this country, and exploiting the frustrations and discontent of the American people in our government only to meet rather face-value "compromise plans" and other partisan Democratic reform. It's very frustrating. I think the election showed that the American people want change, but the Democrats are being politicians, and spineless ones (go figure) and they are going the middle way by making compromises instead of giving the people the change they wanted.



Perhaps they don't want to be perceived as radical; but that didn't stop the conservatives and they did well. I think it shows that people don't want the typical left-right paradigm and the same-old partisan politics. They want something new. Goldwater conservatism and the Reagan movement gave the majority of America the fresh air of making steps toward change from this system, but now Goldwater conservatism is dead and the evangelist right moved in. The election showed that the conservative movement is an old beat-up hag and it's corrupted by being in power for too long. But this poll shows that the majority of the American people aren't stupid, they know the Democrats are spineless, it's just that they figured they would punish the Republicans for screwing up the country (and/or Iraq) rather than voting for someone or a party that would give them substantial change for the better.



I hope it will change though. Although from the attitude and the statements of the Democratic leadership gives us this impression, I think it's still way too early to start throwing shots at the Democrats when the new Congress hasn't even met for the first time yet. Let's just hope they spine up and actually give us some change.
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It is, of coarse, because the Republicans lost this election; the Democrats did not win it. At least the Democrats have the chance to prove themselves now, but unfortunately it seems as if they are already putting to waste the want of change in this country, and exploiting the frustrations and discontent of the American people in our government only to meet rather face-value "compromise plans" and other partisan Democratic reform. It's very frustrating. I think the election showed that the American people want change, but the Democrats are being politicians, and spineless ones (go figure) and they are going the middle way by making compromises instead of giving the people the change they wanted.



Perhaps they don't want to be perceived as radical; but that didn't stop the conservatives and they did well. I think it shows that people don't want the typical left-right paradigm and the same-old partisan politics. They want something new. Goldwater conservatism and the Reagan movement gave themajority of America the fresh air of making steps toward change from this system, but now Goldwater conservatism is dead and the evangelist right moved in. The election showed that the conservative movement is an old beat-up hag and it's corrupted by being in power for too long. But this poll shows that the majority of the American people aren't stupid, they know the Democrats are spineless, it's just that they figured they would punish the Republicans for screwing up the country (and/or Iraq) rather than voting for someone or a party that would give them substantial change for the better.



I hope it will change though. Although from the attitude and the statements of the Democratic leadership gives us this impression, I think it's still way too early to start throwing shots at the Democrats when the new Congress hasn't even met for the first time yet. Let's just hope they spine up and actually give us some change.


So far that appears to be true.



No plan. Infighting and jockeying for positions of power.





The Dems better get their crap together, or there'll be another Republican President elected in 2008 - and probably a Republican Congress again.
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