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Old January 19th, 2017, 12:39 PM   #31
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She did great?? Obviously your definition of "GREAT" and my definition of great are polar opposites. Betsy stammered and stuttered--hemmed and hawed--because she didn't do her homework. She's completely unqualified and unfit to be Queen of Ed. You are correct. She did NOT have firm or unfirm answers regarding much of anything, including the federal government's role in this nations public schools....and if she burns the malignant department to the ground SHE'S out of a job and so are millions of others.......so I really don't think that's going to happen. Glad you used the word "hopefully" because at least you've got enough sense to know there's a chance Ms. Devos will fall flat on her face.
Shutting down or burning down the Dept of Ed requires an act of congress. It's not going to happen...but of course you believe Dirty Don--the man who has no idea what he's talking about and turns on a dime.
Here's an idea. Go talk it over with a grizzly bear....somewhere in Wyoming, but be sure to take your gun.
Of course our defintions of "great" are different.

My version of great would be restoring public education back to its once glory of actually focusing on education. This would require eliminating the DOE or pulling out forty plus years of ineffective policies and labyrinth counter productive bureaucracy by the roots. DeVos is the person to handle this by giving control back to the states, districts, and parents.

Your version is keeping the status quo and adding more layers of bureaucracy, regulations, and federal government control over the local level.

The questions that DeVos did not answer to the satisfaction of statists have zero connection with improving public education. Her answers demonstrated that her priorities are spot on for improving public education.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 12:41 PM   #32
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Of course our defintions of "great" are different.

My version of great would be restoring public education back to its once glory of actually focusing on education. This would require eliminating the DOE or pulling out forty plus years of ineffective policies and labyrinth counter productive bureaucracy by the roots. DeVos is the person to handle this by giving control back to the states, districts, and parents.

Your version is keeping the status quo and adding more layers of bureaucracy, regulations, and federal government control over the local level.

The questions that DeVos did not answer to the satisfaction of statists have zero connection with improving public education. Her answers demonstrated that her priorities are spot on for improving public education.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 12:43 PM   #33
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Of course our defintions of "great" are different.

My version of great would be restoring public education back to its once glory of actually focusing on education. This would require eliminating the DOE or pulling out forty plus years of ineffective policies and labyrinth counter productive bureaucracy by the roots. DeVos is the person to handle this by giving control back to the states, districts, and parents.

Your version is keeping the status quo and adding more layers of bureaucracy, regulations, and federal government control over the local level.

The questions that DeVos did not answer to the satisfaction of statists have zero connection with improving public education. Her answers demonstrated that her priorities are spot on for improving public education.
What time period would be, in your opinion, of when American PUBLIC education was "in it's glory?"
You said "back to it's once glory", did you not?
Well, when would that be and why? A specific decade or two will be fine.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 12:47 PM   #34
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What time period would be, in your opinion, of when American PUBLIC education was "in it's glory?"
You said "back to it's once glory", did you not?
Well, when would that be and why? A specific decade or two will be fine.
funny thing is, the name" American PUBLIC education" implies federal not state.
it's like the difference between a state park and a national park.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 02:09 PM   #35
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Right. AND once again the RW is absolutely incapable of connecting the dots. Just like ACA the doofus party says 'start over'. For six years....start over.
The Dept of Ed is exactly the same thing. The Right cants and recants the horror of the Feds and the sanctity of the states...and yet have NO plan for the states--have NO plan for things like Pell Grants, census data, federal standards, infusion of federal money--no oversight with reference to civil rights laws, gender laws, equality between poor/rich districts.
AND then there are the state budgets, most of whom have cut education to the bone. HOW would the states manage to employ, oversee, regulate and finance an additional state department?? How would they deploy vouchers? How would they finance the free lunch programs? The Federal contribution to elementary and secondary education is about 8 percent, which includes funds not only from the Department of Education (ED) but also from other Federal agencies, such as the Department of Health and Human Services' Head Start program and the Department of Agriculture's School Lunch program. Where would those funds come from or should we just forget those and let children/families deal with it?
OR maybe the state residents will be delighted to see their property taxes double??
AND what about the disparity between the states on issues like highly qualified teachers? Economic inequality? Technology if there are no standards--no requirements. How about the gap between the rich and poor?
It is ridiculous to think that states like Louisiana and Mississippi can compete with states like Massachusetts or New York who spend three times the amount per pupil.
If indeed Trump is going to be the "JOBS" president, the last thing he will want to do is shut down the Dept of Ed and send 5000 people to the unemployment line.
Those Dept. of Ed. jobs are a waste of our tax dollars and I'll be willing to bet that most of those "people" are probably not very good educators. Let them get real jobs in the Private Sector, where one has to preform for a living.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 02:21 PM   #36
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Of course our defintions of "great" are different.

My version of great would be restoring public education back to its once glory of actually focusing on education. This would require eliminating the DOE or pulling out forty plus years of ineffective policies and labyrinth counter productive bureaucracy by the roots. DeVos is the person to handle this by giving control back to the states, districts, and parents.

Your version is keeping the status quo and adding more layers of bureaucracy, regulations, and federal government control over the local level.

The questions that DeVos did not answer to the satisfaction of statists have zero connection with improving public education. Her answers demonstrated that her priorities are spot on for improving public education.

Unless you personally have been directly involved in the public school system in the last few years, you have no business harping on the ineffective policies and/or bureaucracy. DeVos has no experience with public education and obviously has no solutions. If she had she would have offered more information to the senate committee. Oh, I'm sure Devos will be approved--just like all the Trump appointees. So congratulations.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 02:25 PM   #37
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Those Dept. of Ed. jobs are a waste of our tax dollars and I'll be willing to bet that most of those "people" are probably not very good educators. Let them get real jobs in the Private Sector, where one has to preform for a living.


OHHO---so you'd be willing to bet? In other words you have no idea?? When was the last time you volunteered at a public school?? Walked the halls of a public school? Spoke with a certified public school teacher? Went to a school board meeting? Go ahead.... I'll wait for an answer.
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Old January 19th, 2017, 03:57 PM   #38
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She did great?? Obviously your definition of "GREAT" and my definition of great are polar opposites. Betsy stammered and stuttered--hemmed and hawed--because she didn't do her homework. She's completely unqualified and unfit to be Queen of Ed. You are correct. She did NOT have firm or unfirm answers regarding much of anything, including the federal government's role in this nations public schools....and if she burns the malignant department to the ground SHE'S out of a job and so are millions of others.......so I really don't think that's going to happen. Glad you used the word "hopefully" because at least you've got enough sense to know there's a chance Ms. Devos will fall flat on her face.
Shutting down or burning down the Dept of Ed requires an act of congress. It's not going to happen...but of course you believe Dirty Don--the man who has no idea what he's talking about and turns on a dime.
Here's an idea. Go talk it over with a grizzly bear....somewhere in Wyoming, but be sure to take your gun.
Putting partisanship aside....

You've been in public education. What good did the Dept. of Education ever do for you, or your students?
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Old January 19th, 2017, 04:15 PM   #39
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Unless you personally have been directly involved in the public school system in the last few years, you have no business harping on the ineffective policies and/or bureaucracy. DeVos has no experience with public education and obviously has no solutions. If she had she would have offered more information to the senate committee. Oh, I'm sure Devos will be approved--just like all the Trump appointees. So congratulations.
I have business harping about the policies and bureaucracy because my tax dollars are being spent. It is everyone's business who would like to see forty years worth of decline SAT and ACT scores reversed.

The second best thing that could happen is for someone with no experience and not indoctrinated by the failed public education system to head the DOE. You are advocating for the same failed policies. Inbreeding produces genetically compromised results and that is the DOE's problem other than existing.
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I have business harping about the policies and bureaucracy because my tax dollars are being spent. It is everyone's business who would like to see forty years worth of decline SAT and ACT scores reversed.

The second best thing that could happen is for someone with no experience and not indoctrinated by the failed public education system to head the DOE. You are advocating for the same failed policies. Inbreeding produces genetically compromised results and that is the DOE's problem other than existing.
Ironic coming from the most indoctrinated
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