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Old February 26th, 2017, 12:38 AM   #1
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The Electoral College vs. Popular vote, basically won by California........

I support a popular vote for President. Have the election, and a runoff vote if no one gets 50%. Many people especially conservatives do not want that because California voters would carry the election, and thus, the American President would be chosen by the state of California.

Looking at the 2016 race, Hillary won California by a whopping 4,300,000 odd votes. That would have carried the election under a popular vote. So if California was its own country, would the Trump victory be that much larger. It seems to me that there is a weird prejudice about California and Californians from the rest of the country. I don't like Californians because they took a paradise and wrecked it completely. But these people are still Americans

I think of state governors as basically Presidents of their own respective states which much of the same responsibilities in most (but not all state houses, in some the Lt. Governor is the power and the Governor is a figurehead like in Texas and Tennessee).

Governors are elected by a popular vote. In several states, a city or large metropolitan area weighs down election results to their favor versus rural districts. Illinois and Chicago to me is a glaring example, New York City vs. New York State, even Las Vegas/Clark County (which is a fairly big city now) and Nevada in many states where there is only one urban area which tilts elections. So why don't people who run for statewide offices complain about the big city winning elections? So why make Presidential elections that simple?
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In fact, the republican system requires indirect elections of the president of the republic by the electoral college, to allow truly great man and statesman with record of great deeds to serve as president of the republic, and not democratic demagogue.
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In fact, the republican system requires indirect elections of the president of the republic by the electoral college, to allow truly great man and statesman with record of great deeds to serve as president of the republic, and not democratic demagogue.
I read the larger part of The Republic but did not finish it. Is your statement from The Republic?
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I support a popular vote for President. Have the election, and a runoff vote if no one gets 50%. Many people especially conservatives do not want that because California voters would carry the election, and thus, the American President would be chosen by the state of California.

Looking at the 2016 race, Hillary won California by a whopping 4,300,000 odd votes. That would have carried the election under a popular vote. So if California was its own country, would the Trump victory be that much larger. It seems to me that there is a weird prejudice about California and Californians from the rest of the country. I don't like Californians because they took a paradise and wrecked it completely. But these people are still Americans

I think of state governors as basically Presidents of their own respective states which much of the same responsibilities in most (but not all state houses, in some the Lt. Governor is the power and the Governor is a figurehead like in Texas and Tennessee).

Governors are elected by a popular vote. In several states, a city or large metropolitan area weighs down election results to their favor versus rural districts. Illinois and Chicago to me is a glaring example, New York City vs. New York State, even Las Vegas/Clark County (which is a fairly big city now) and Nevada in many states where there is only one urban area which tilts elections. So why don't people who run for statewide offices complain about the big city winning elections? So why make Presidential elections that simple?
We do complain about it in Illinois. We do. For instance when we have to have an emergency session of State legislatures to bail out the Chicago transit system. I say let it shutter. Fuck them. Instead, its empty my pockets some more to pay for something I have fuck all to do with that does nothing for me or my own.
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I love the electoral college and of course it is here to stay for the duration of the USA's existence.
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I support a popular vote for President. Have the election, and a runoff vote if no one gets 50%. Many people especially conservatives do not want that because California voters would carry the election, and thus, the American President would be chosen by the state of California.

Looking at the 2016 race, Hillary won California by a whopping 4,300,000 odd votes. That would have carried the election under a popular vote. So if California was its own country, would the Trump victory be that much larger. It seems to me that there is a weird prejudice about California and Californians from the rest of the country. I don't like Californians because they took a paradise and wrecked it completely. But these people are still Americans

I think of state governors as basically Presidents of their own respective states which much of the same responsibilities in most (but not all state houses, in some the Lt. Governor is the power and the Governor is a figurehead like in Texas and Tennessee).

Governors are elected by a popular vote. In several states, a city or large metropolitan area weighs down election results to their favor versus rural districts. Illinois and Chicago to me is a glaring example, New York City vs. New York State, even Las Vegas/Clark County (which is a fairly big city now) and Nevada in many states where there is only one urban area which tilts elections. So why don't people who run for statewide offices complain about the big city winning elections? So why make Presidential elections that simple?

Because states are supposed to be sovereign. Just because a lot of people choose to move to places like LA and NYC should not mean that once there they can dictate how things are done in the places that they have left.

The real issue is that the federal government now has stolen so much "power" over the independant states.
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