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Old April 23rd, 2017, 08:02 AM   #1
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Marine Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron leading the race as polls open

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Turnout in the first round of France's hotly contest presidential elections was higher than expected at midday, after recent polls suggested that more than a third may stay away from polling booths.

At midday, the interior ministry said that 28.54 percent of eligible voters had cast their ballot, compared with 28.29 percent in 2012.

Around 67,000 polling stations opened early Sunday for some 47 million eligible voters, who will choose between 11 candidates. Sunday's vote is the most unpredictable election in generations.

Polls suggest far-Right Marine Le Pen and Emmanuel Macron, an independent centrist and former economy minister, were in the lead. But conservative Francois Fillon, a former prime minister, appeared to be closing the gap, as was far-left candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon.


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Old April 23rd, 2017, 09:46 AM   #3
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I hopes on Le Pen because she is right wing she wanted Fascism in France.

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Old April 23rd, 2017, 09:56 AM   #4
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I don't know why I'm doing this, but I've had a tab open on the live feed from France 24's election coverage for the past hour. It sounds like a French translation of CNN's election coverage! A bunch of talkingheads yammering away about polls and reading the tea leaves about what the candidates and various voter demographics are thinking...maybe it's time to unplug and focus on real news and information!

We won't likely know for a long time who's going to win...and it's almost certain that there will be a runoff between the top two candidates. One thing I'll agree with the 24 pundits on is that the fascist candidate-Le Pen likely has as much support as she's going to get, while a majority are waiting to put their chips on one of the other three leading candidates as soon as they break out of the pack.

I hope it goes something like that, because there is a lot of speculation outside of polite French media circles that the terrorist (who declared he wanted to kill cops and was let out of jail two months ago) may be among a small group of Islamic terrorists who have been allowed to act freely by authorities so that they would get their Muslim terrorist as a chit to bump support for their candidate- Le Pen.

I don't know if that's true, but it sounds plausible to me! Consider how all of the police associations, security companies and top military were openly supporting Trump, while so much of the Deep State, like CIA, NSA...all of their contractors, and of course virtually every billionaire in America wanted Clinton! Police and military like fascists, because they will give them carte blanche to do whatever the hell they feel like, and more important: give them virtually unlimited budgets to make it happen!

The main thing standing in the way of Marine Le Pen winning the French Election is most French citizens know about Donald Trump and even many of Le Pen's supporters cast her as a smarter, somewhat more civil version of Trump! They notice that Trump has betrayed his base on most issues already and has done a 180 on military and foreign policy issues..after running as the non-interventionist candidate. Le Pen's supporters don't completely trust her already, because of her shape-shifting on issues since the last election...so see what happens when all the dust settles!
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My Dream EU and then smaller unit armed forces are fine if Le Pen leave EU if winning French election. 15 or max 18 countries in my Dream EU.

Yes, I has old genre from old Germany.

Germany are includde in my dream EU.

Not UK, France, Portugal and Spain it is fine to where American / Asian / EU.
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Old April 23rd, 2017, 11:37 AM   #6
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Macron and Le Pen to penalty time.

And Macron are left wing so called communist leader ?

And want to change whole France ?
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Old April 23rd, 2017, 11:54 AM   #7
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This is the primary in France and the election is not until May. Far right wing conservatives are leading in the polls.
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No. Left wing Macron lead then Le Pen 1 percent behind then thus two starting last pieces end election in next month.
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Marine Le Pen deserves the same bullet Trump does. France will not let us down. The EU will be reborn and a global community shall be born.
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Old April 26th, 2017, 09:46 AM   #10
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Time for an update on French Election

Since I haven't spent any time looking into the French Presidential Election, last week I was led along by the accepted wisdom of the French and foreign talkingheads observing the first round of voting.

The line was Marine Le Pen would have to finish first among the candidates to have a shot of winning the second round runoff vote-scheduled for May 7. So, I went along with that, and took the assumption that whoever of the other three leading candidates went with her in to the runoff would win the majority of the 'moderate' votes.

Seems reasonable..providing that you are completely ignorant of the local history and present day issues over there. And most of us...who haven't been there, have no particular interest in France, are out of the loop and have a little catching up to do to get acquainted with the subject.

Anyway, here's the first problem with the standard presentation of this election as a left/right divide: the leading candidate, and the one especially favoured by the bankers, oligarchs and their media reps - Macron, is in no way/no how a leftist as some here have tried to argue...likely cause they've OD'd on Foxnews lately! In French politics, he is tagged as a centrist. He's a 39 year old banking exec from the Rothschild Empire, who prior to the election, spent a shitload of his own money polling more than 28,000 French people all across the nation(unusually high sample group in any polling) and in every possible voting demographic. So, may as well say that prior to his first ever attempt to enter politics, this neophyte was spending a lot of time getting prepared...crafting a political platform and practicing what to say on every possible issue. With that, how the hell can anyone know what he'll do once in office? Except that it's a sure bet he'll be good to the banks...especially the Euro Central Bank! In a lot of ways, Macron sounds like what we get up here in Canada as Liberal leaders: poll watchers with no core political stands, but always sure to keep business leaders happy.

And then there's Le Pen...the French Donald Trump! Well, actually the old man was a perfect replica of Trump...boorish, ignorant, violent asshole to such a degree that his daughter had to banish him from the National Front because of the damage he was doing to their brand.....with Ivanka moving in to the White House and exerting power behind the scenes, I'm wondering if a similar scenario could play out in American politics!

Anyway, she's smart enough to be more tactful, use more diplomatic dogwhistling rhetoric, but she is also aware that her success among lower class French...living in industrial suburbs and rural villages bypassed by globalization, who've lost jobs and farm income because of EU membership, can't be won over just on xenophobic, anti-foreigners rhetoric. So, on many economic issues, Le Pen crosses over and outflanks Macron to the left, and that makes a left/right comparison totally useless here.

But, here's where things get interesting -- the third place candidate: Jean Luc Méllenchon, the actual, unapologetic candidate of the left, is an economic nationalist who is also against the EU trade pacts and argues for leaving the European Union if they're not renegotiated. On economic issues, Méllenchon has little common ground with Macron, and for this reason has refused to endorse Macron and ask his supporters to do likewise. Instead, he's offered no endorsement and told his supporters they are free to vote for the candidate of their choice.
*The Guardian gives a quick look at Méllenchon voters in this article trying to figure out which way they will turn in the runoff...which will likely decide who wins.
'Death of the French left': why voters are hesitating over Macron
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-over-macron

What seems vaguely similar to last years US Election is that a much favoured centrist liberal..with lots of money and support from all the right people, is up against a right wing populist. But in this case, a populist who doesn't say stupid things on a daily basis. Will Macron's assumed advantage over Le Pen hold on voting day? Again, Macron is the candidate of the status quo, and seems to be trying to run a safe, error-free campaign to coast to victory on May 7th....when has that ever gone wrong! Marine Le Pen gets to cast herself as the insurgent candidate..the candidate for change. Is the mood in France in favour of more of the same, or is that mood...which dumped the two leading parties (the French equivalent of Democrats and Republicans), willing to accept an inside/outsider like Macron? We'll find out on May 7.
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