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Old June 7th, 2017, 06:15 PM   #21
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Nope, that is exactly my point. can you provide an example of a presidential term where the powers of the state did not grow and infringe upon the personal liberties of the people?

It has not been working and is becoming more and more obvious every day. This is the beauty of the combination of today's leadership and the flow of information.
And yet we still have that form of government because it works in the real world.
Oh, the delusional will claim it's not working, but tomorrow people will get up, shower, dress, go to work, pay taxes.
And Libertarians will fume in their parent's basements, and on internet forums that nothing is working, but the only thing that isn't working, is Libertarian ideas, and the people who hold them.
Lysander Spooner has been dead for 130 years, and his ideas have yet to take hold in fertile ground, because they don't work in the real world.
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Tomorrow half the county will wake up hating the other half and visa versa and the division will only amplify. That is why nations and empires fail in the real world.
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And yet we still have that form of government because it works in the real world.
Oh, the delusional will claim it's not working, but tomorrow people will get up, shower, dress, go to work, pay taxes.
And Libertarians will fume in their parent's basements, and on internet forums that nothing is working, but the only thing that isn't working, is Libertarian ideas, and the people who hold them.
Lysander Spooner has been dead for 130 years, and his ideas have yet to take hold in fertile ground, because they don't work in the real world.
Fume, nothing. This is all wonderful. It is you fools who have been crying out loud, throwing temper tantrums like spoiled children chasing boogie men. I thought that the fundamentalist Christians were bad. You guys are making them look like choir boys. This is what the next generations are witnessing. Keep it up.
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You frightened them quite a bit with the OP. Well done!
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Old June 7th, 2017, 07:05 PM   #25
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Tomorrow half the county will wake up hating the other half and visa versa and the division will only amplify. That is why nations and empires fail in the real world.
Rebelling against the establishment is normal. Kids are using words like "triggered" and "micro aggressions" as jokes. Colleges cannot sustain this insanity. It's naive to think other ways.

I believe that the tensions today are designed and instigated. People fighting amungst themselves are easer to control. That does not change the fact that the kids are seeing through this shit. Teachers cannot spew out bullshit lines anymore the kids have the Internet in their pockets. There is instant accountability.

Take the pot laws as an example. That was generations of misinformation. The free flow of information has all but destroyed those laws and w/ them the credibility of the DEA. Even many hard core conservatives that I know have come around to the idea that that is none of the business of the state and they grew up w/ those beliefs.
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A chicken in every pot, pot in every chicken.
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Old June 7th, 2017, 07:39 PM   #27
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Fume, nothing. This is all wonderful. It is you fools who have been crying out loud, throwing temper tantrums like spoiled children chasing boogie men. I thought that the fundamentalist Christians were bad. You guys are making them look like choir boys. This is what the next generations are witnessing. Keep it up.
Allow me to explain.
Nothing goes in a straight line, you see a rather content middle class transformed into something that would elect Trump, and you see endtimes.

I've seen worse, I've seen the government open fire on the people, here.
Bombings, here, presidents removed, here. Double digit inflation to go with double digit unemployment, here.
It works itself out, always has, and since the beginning there have been people who thought, "It's all over...", and they have been wrong, so far always.

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Allow me to explain.
Nothing goes in a straight line, you see a rather content middle class transformed into something that would elect Trump, and you endtimes.

I've seen worse, I've seen the government open fire on the people, here.
Bombings, here, presidents removed, here. Double digit inflation to go with double digit unemployment, here.
It works itself out, always has, and since the beginning there have been people who thought, "It's all over...", and they have been wrong, so far always.


That is just it. I don't see "end times" I see the natural progression of things. We are relying on a system that predates electricity being led by people who still believe that network news is a viable source of information.

You cannot see it as you lived all of the examples that you provided, it's ingrained in your thought process. Never before in recorded history has civilization progressed so much in such a short amount of of time and it shows no signs of slowing. Our system of government is antiquated and was never intended to operate as it is anyways.
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The increasingly-unethical behavior of leftists is also pushing moderate liberals to the left. The recent Evergreen State College situation with professor Bret Weinstein is a perfect example.

I'll just go ahead and say it: Leftism has jumped the shark.
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The right wing elected Donald J. Trump to the Presidency of the United State of America - and the left wing has jumped the shark?!?!

misty, indeed
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