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Old July 30th, 2017, 05:53 PM   #31
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Well...is it the claim of the Dems that any international business person, or anyone connected to them, should never have any contact with anyone who is Russian????
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Well...is it the claim of the Dems that any international business person, or anyone connected to them, should never have any contact with anyone who is Russian????
Depends. Is that International business person, or his father, running for President?
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Old July 30th, 2017, 06:24 PM   #33
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Polititians lie. That is common knowlage. It is unfortunate but true.
Well that's good news.

Surely that means RWers will and should be good with Democrats lying. Cool.
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Old July 30th, 2017, 06:30 PM   #34
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Ok, it is 7/12

Can someone try and explain what they think happened w/ this whole Russia thing? The current one the one w/ the son.

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940. The FBI interfere US president election (12/29/2016)

The FBI played an active role to interfere the US 2016 president election. It hit Democrate's nominee Hillary Clinton by email gate to help its candidate Donald Trump. The evident scene was in July 5 during Chilcot report. "FBI Director Comey potentially gave Clinton’s political rivals some ammunition, conceding there was "evidence of mishandling” classified information and that an FBI employee who did the same “would face consequences for this.”
The FBI didn't indict Clinton because they have no evidence that Clinton intended to do wrong with her email setup."(washingtonpost.com) In fact, this is common for others. Powell had done samething. Why they beat the drum this time on Clinton? Because this time the FBI need a candidate of their own to handle a criminal case. So they determined to help Trump to win the election. This was also the time the Feds made a secret deal with Russian to hack Clinton's computer.

So then Trump started to call for Russian's help. Why not China? Because he knew they had a deal with Russia already.

What Russian had hacked? Maybe there was something important. Because in President Debate, Trump intimidated his rival hillary that he'd have special prosecutor and "you'd be in jail".

On 10/28, the FBI director Comey reopened Clintion email investigation, then dramatically dropped the investigation on 11/6. A powerful department of the nation so openly, actively interfere in president election is unprecedented.
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941. Payment to Russia for hacking in US election (1/4/2017)

Of course, Russia won't do it for free. There must be a secret deal between the intelligence of the two countries. We outsiders can only see it from some facts.

The secret deal: Hacked email were handed to Wikileaks to issue to hit Hillary Clinton.

The payment of secret deal:

1. Aleppo falls (or "liberated" from Russia side) on 12/15. Resistance and civil withdraw from East Aleppo by bus. Five years fight ends. A big victory for Russia and its allies.

2. Economic interest.

Putin dismissed the notion that he was only interested in getting economic benefits from Japan.

"If anyone thinks we’re interested only in developing economic links and a peace deal is of secondary importance, that’s not the case," he told the same news conference. That's all for the controversial islands. He went Japan just for those business deals.

You may say that's something between Russia and Japan. The Truth is Japan is the pocket slave of the US. If you still remember Trump claims credit for $50 billion investment by Japanese firm and 7 billion from a Taiwan firm. They were puppet nations that have to pay their defense share that Trump demands. Include that payment to Russia for the US sake.
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Old July 30th, 2017, 07:38 PM   #35
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Wouldn't the type of contacts be relevant? Not one political collusion has been ascertained. Millions of dollars spent, and thousands of hours, and NOTHING. The money and time would have been better spent investigating Hillary, Comey, and Lynch.
You mean if the contacts had been between high level Trump campaign officials, like Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner, and maybe one of Trump's kids, meeting with Russian agents, to get damaging information on Hillary Clinton?

You mean if they had found something like that?
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971. Secret deal behind Russian's email hacking (7/22/2017)

Trump called Russians to hack Clinton's emails. He says now he didn't know Russians hacking deal. What was his base to call Russian to hack Clinton's email? Idea dropped from the sky?

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'Treason'? Critics savage Trump over Russia hack comments
By NAHAL TOOSI and SEUNG MIN KIM 07/27/2016

Donald Trump's call on Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's emails has shocked, flabbergasted and appalled lawmakers and national security experts across the political spectrum, with one saying it was "tantamount to treason."

'Treason'? Critics savage Trump over Russia hack comments - POLITICO
Of course, Russian wouldn't give a free service. Six months later, Aleppo fell. A first payment to Russia after Trump won the president campaign. Rebel retreated in order. That was an arranged deal.

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Aleppo: Evacuations resume after buses set ablaze

CNN December 18, 20

As many as 9,000 people had been evacuated from eastern Aleppo in nine convoys on Thursday and Friday
The full deal is done one year later. Tillerson's words means "Now we fulfill the deal. Syria is yours".

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US Secretary of State says 'Syria's fate is in Russian hands now'
The Independent• July 3, 2017

The US Secretary of State has reportedly told the United Nations Secretary General that he thinks the fate of Syria and its leader is now up to Russia.

Rex Tillerson held a private meeting with Antonio Guterres at the State Department when he said the US was limiting its mission to defeating terror group Isis, according to Foreign Policy.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-secret...204527145.html
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Trump and Putin's Syria Ceasefire Effectively Lets Assad Off the Hook
Time July 10, 2017

Observers and former U.S. officials say the ceasefire deal effectively guarantees Assad’s regime remains in place, in spite of Trump administration rhetoric to the contrary.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-put...165537133.html
Meanwhile, US had a missile attack on Syria in the name that Syria had a chemical weapon violation, that was a cover up operation of the secret deal.
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My very broad question is why is Russia so Un-American? I do not think the USA has ever done anything to harm Russia, and really the only interference was trying to keep those batshit Bolsheviks from taking over their nation (which would have saved about 30 million lives in Eurasia. Then there is the whole WWII thing, helping the USSR beat the Germans, then allowing the Russians to annex Japanese territory and helped create North Korea.

Now after 70 years of trying to bang a square pag in a round hole economically, and getting or forcing about thirty nations to embrace their dumbass, repressive economic and political ideology, the Russians overthrew/replaced one party Communism to a Capitalist society, but still keeping this authoritarian, strong man type of government, with the mega wealthy people stealing everything, a dictator in Putin, who is anti-American for some reason.

I do not see why the wealthy, the ultra powerful, and the leader of these huge magazine states cannot sit down, split the pie, and have open cooperation and partnerships to make money, which in turn gives people work, and we together fix population, pollution, increasing agricutlure, exploit the potential of space. Free these punk ass countries like North Korea and Afghanistan, put them to work on their riches.

I am rambling, but Russia is like that asshole you know. The asshole doesn't like you, so you return the feeling. You don't know really why he is an asshole to you, except he sees you as some kind of threat, to the last beer, the last slice of pizza, the drunk coed in the corner, the last line of go go powder, or your fence is one inch inside my property line.
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