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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:45 AM   #71
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I certainly do not hope Trump is assassinated - or anybody, for that matter - but, I would also certainly understand and empathize with the person who did it.

It's really just a cute way to say I wish he would be assassinated, by disqualifying it first.

Nailed it, and his whiny attempt at backtracking doesn't work.

Now, simply insert the name Obama, or Hillary, instead of Trump in that statement and we know how the regressives would have reacted.

Using the word "understand" was rotten enough, but when he used the word "empathize" he sealed the intent.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:46 AM   #72
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None of them know, I've challenged them on this hundreds of times , it's a good tool to make them put their head in the sand. Just say, Now it's time to give you the definition of stupid. You have no idea what communism is and I'll prove it to everyone right now, Go to a encyclopedia , get the main tenets of communism, come back and explain to us with those tenets how me my party of my politicians are communist, bring your sourse. It shows real quickly how stupid they are.
You have challenged hundreds of times in your 54 posts?

That is quite a feat.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:59 AM   #73
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OK smart one, Go to my last comment (post 59) and do what it says since your the expert on this subject. I don't give a flying fuck what you opinion is , you bring facts from the encyclopedia and the source , or it's done and you have shown everyone here what a bulllshiter you are and the levil of your intelectct.
He won't come back unless he comes back with I don't need to look in a encyclopedia I know it all. Or try to twist one of many of the real tenets into knots to support his crap Or changes the subject, or blame it on Obama, or simply call me names and tell me he hates me and I'm a commie. This group is a real pitiful group.
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None of them know, I've challenged them on this hundreds of times , it's a good tool to make them put their head in the sand. Just say, Now it's time to give you the definition of stupid. You have no idea what communism is and I'll prove it to everyone right now, Go to a encyclopedia , get the main tenets of communism, come back and explain to us with those tenets how me my party of my politicians are communist, bring your sourse. It shows real quickly how stupid they are.


Did you want me to snail mail you a copy of C encyclopedia w/ the relevant pages tagged? How about i fax it to you? Or maybe, just maybe it is not 1952 and that thing infront of you that you use to watch porn on has more available information than your public library. Anyways when it comes to communism there is a differance between true communism acording to Marx and the political philosophy and most people have a tendency to conflate the two. I dont own set of encyclopedias because 2017 but...



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Although Marx advocated the use of any means, especially including violent revolution, to bring about socialist dictatorship, he suggested ten political goals for developed countries such as the United States. How far has the United States -- traditionally the bastion of freedom, free markets, and private property -- gone down the Marxist road to fulfill these socialist aims? You be the judge. The following are Marx's ten planks from his Communist Manifesto.
1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (186 to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..




2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.




3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .




4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.




5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation.




6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.




7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.




8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.




9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.




10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .







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You have challenged hundreds of times in your 54 posts?

That is quite a feat.
Its simple then tell me the main tenets of communism and with those tenets show how me , the Democrats or Obama was a commie. Bullshit to your opinion, bring in fact on those tenets, not goofball made up ones and bring your sourse. This weakling won't respond with facts. It will be some goofball response from this loser. You know lies and make believe. Show us what you got loser.
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Its simple then tell me the main tenets of communism and with those tenets show how me , the Democrats or Obama was a commie. Bullshit to your opinion, bring in fact on those tenets, not goofball made up ones and bring your sourse. This weakling won't respond with facts. It will be some goofball response from this loser. You know lies and make believe. Show us what you got loser.
If you would have spent as much time reading the thread as you did on this this silly post, well...
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Did you want me to snail mail you a copy of C encyclopedia w/ the relevant pages tagged? How about i fax it to you? Or maybe, just maybe it is not 1952 and that thing infront of you that you use to watch porn on has more available information than your public library. Anyways when it comes to communism there is a differance between true communism acording to Marx and the political philosophy and most people have a tendency to conflate the two. I dont own set of encyclopedias because 2017 but...








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OK we will even go with your all democrats are commie page and I'll still make a fool out of you. 1. "1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose." no were in this capitalist country does that ever exist. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.. maybe you could show me a list of countries that don't have a progressive tax system are you the saying they are all Commie. What a Idiot. "
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance." ya sure buddy no one can in will their money to anyone. Idiot. " 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels." Never happened . The key word is all here , which we all know is total bullshit , You idiot. " 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly." All countries in the world have a central bank, so again is every country communist the, Idiot."6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state." Reading his garbage list says it is so because it is watched over by government agencies. OK then give me a country in the world that communication and transportation isn't watched over by a government agency. Idiot.

OK that's it, he flunked, the first six and now I feel I'm just wasting my time , this makes it clear that dumb butt has no Idea what Communism is. And I used his list . The real list doesn't even need any explanation, it shows with out recourse that dumb dumb has no clue what Communism or socialism or anything izm is. Brain dead would sum it up quite nicely.
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OK we will even go with your all democrats are commie page and I'll still make a fool out of you. 1. "1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose." no were in this capitalist country does that ever exist. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.. maybe you could show me a list of countries that don't have a progressive tax system are you the saying they are all Commie. What a Idiot. "
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance." ya sure buddy no one can in will their money to anyone. Idiot. " 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels." Never happened . The key word is all here , which we all know is total bullshit , You idiot. " 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly." All countries in the world have a central bank, so again is every country communist the, Idiot."6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state." Reading his garbage list says it is so because it is watched over by government agencies. OK then give me a country in the world that communication and transportation isn't watched over by a government agency. Idiot.

OK that's it, he flunked, the first six and now I feel I'm just wasting my time , this makes it clear that dumb butt has no Idea what Communism is. And I used his list . The real list doesn't even need any explanation, it shows with out recourse that dumb dumb has no clue what Communism or socialism or anything izm is. Brain dead would sum it up quite nicely.
Thats the manifesto to IMPLEMENT Communism, not the rules of a Communist state.
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You asked for the the basis of communism and how it relates to today. You have injected words like "every" and "democrat" into the conversation not me. As i said there is a differance between true communism and the political theory/party. I gave you Marxisms ten planks, how they have been applied to todays government and a source. This is what you asked for. Your attempt to refute it was weak to say the least.

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OK we will even go with your all democrats are commie page and I'll still make a fool out of you. 1. "1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose." no were in this capitalist country does that ever exist.



So you are saying that the state cannot confiscate private property?



2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.. maybe you could show me a list of countries that don't have a progressive tax system are you the saying they are all Commie. What a Idiot. "



Do we or do we not have a progressive income tax?


3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance." ya sure buddy no one can in will their money to anyone. Idiot. "



Do we of do we not have a tax to confiscate wealth that would otherwise be passed onto family members?



4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels." Never happened . The key word is all here , which we all know is total bullshit , You idiot. "




Again you did not refute what was in the post you just pointed your finger hurled insults. Very mature


5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly." All countries in the world have a central bank, so again is every country communist the, Idiot."6.




The federal reserve bank



Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state." Reading his garbage list says it is so because it is watched over by government agencies. OK then give me a country in the world that communication and transportation isn't watched over by a government agency. Idiot.




Again not much of a point.



OK that's it, he flunked, the first six and now I feel I'm just wasting my time , this makes it clear that dumb butt has no Idea what Communism is. And I used his list . The real list doesn't even need any explanation, it shows with out recourse that dumb dumb has no clue what Communism or socialism or anything izm is. Brain dead would sum it up quite nicely.

Nice try though.
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Thats the manifesto to IMPLEMENT Communism, not the rules of a Communist state.
One woukd think that this political scholar would know this...
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