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Old October 23rd, 2017, 09:16 PM   #21
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Strawmanning ppl is disrespectful and shows a lack of critical thinking skills. Address the point that I made and stop accusing me of shit that I never even implied.
i have directly addressed all your points.

what straw man? you say western culture blames the victim. you are a man in a western culture. by definition, you must be one of those people who blames a woman for being raped.

unless you agree with me, that its only some westerners who blame the woman, but plenty do not. and also acknowledge that the law and the state clearly put no blame on her, unlike islamic societies.

you have failed to address the majority of the other points. i invite you to try again.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 09:20 PM   #22
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Yep, good thing we don't have a damned theocracy in this country.
according to bubbajones we do, he thinks the rules of western society were written by a couple of priests and nobody has ever changed it.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 09:22 PM   #23
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two terrorism experts declared in 2015 that Americans are actually far more likely to be killed by a right-wing extremist.
worryingly, you are even more likely to be killed by an immediate relative, most commonly your spouse.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 10:20 PM   #24
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i have directly addressed all your points.

what straw man? you say western culture blames the victim. you are a man in a western culture. by definition, you must be one of those people who blames a woman for being raped.

unless you agree with me, that its only some westerners who blame the woman, but plenty do not. and also acknowledge that the law and the state clearly put no blame on her, unlike islamic societies.

you have failed to address the majority of the other points. i invite you to try again.
You literally just accused me of advocating rape. I never even said or implied that. You just pulled that out of your ass.

Western culture generally blames the woman, especially if she's poor and/or a woman of color. The culture generally doesn't defend the victims. That's the point that I was making. All that other stuff is unnecessary.

Here are some good links and articles on this issue:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/morganshana...Ye#.ofjPEveGaO

Rape Culture, Victim Blaming, and The Facts
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 10:24 PM   #25
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also, care to comment on any of the other issues

you are far more likely to have your clitoris cut off by muslim parents than non muslim parents.
if you say something deemed offensive to islam you are more likely to be killed by an insane mob than if you say something offensive about anything else.
if you steal its more likely muslims who will advocate cutting your hand off than anyone else.
if you want to change your religion thats only ok if you are a non muslim, because muslims will argue you should be killed for leaving islam.
its overwhelmingly muslim societies who think gays should be executed AND ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THIS PUNISHMENT.
its only under islam where marrying and having sex with children in 2017 is legal.

or do you think these things are ok?
Point out where I defended Islam.

Go ahead.

Oh you can't find where I did?

Oh ok. My point went way the fuck over your head.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 10:28 PM   #26
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Anyway the OP brings up a valid point, and we're derailing with this other conversation. Let's discuss the OP.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 10:42 PM   #27
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https://thinkprogress.org/non-muslim...-964bdde2df8c/

The last part being the truly interesting bit...
But it's the Muslim boogey-man that the right wants to fixate on. Cause heaven forbid they give their own backyard the same level of scrutiny...
Good luck thinking they'll ever do that lol.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 10:57 PM   #28
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Yeah. 4 out of 5 women are raped in college. Especially since we have changed the definition of both the words "rape" and "woman"

Sheesh.
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Yeah. 4 out of 5 women are raped in college. Especially since we have changed the definition of both the words "rape" and "woman"
And that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread...
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Not the same thing - not even close, and you know it.

Not only is there no such thing as marital rape of a female spouse under Islamic Law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or by the testimonies of no less than FOUR MALE witnesses, even with the witnesses, she would have to show proof of endless resistance. Otherwise, it is seen as a CONFESSION by the rape victim of having sex outside of wedlock. Women are often stoned to death after reporting a rape and not having the criteria to prove innocence.
Until the mid to late 1970s there was NO MARITAL RAPE in this country either !!!! If you were married, you could NOT rape your wife. Under the law access to her body was YOUR RIGHT !!! It was also taken for granted by police that beating your wife was acceptable. NO man went to jail for "disciplining" his wife !! Hell in Louisiana, until 1980 a woman was obligated BY LAW to hand over her paycheck to her husband if he so requested.

We are simply NOT that far removed from those old misogynistic ways and LAWS. We've come a long way in 30 years, but there are still far too many men that STILL believe that way.

Yes Islam is horrible, but don't fool yourself into thinking we're all that much better !!!
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