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Old October 29th, 2017, 03:05 PM   #51
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because your just totally lying. From right wing watch "The Center for Immigration Studies is one of the network of anti-immigration groups founded by John Tanton, an activist with white nationalist leanings and a fondness for extreme “population control” measures. Tanton founded CIS in 1985 to “wage a war of ideas” on immigration; today, CIS spokespeople are frequently quoted in the media, and its studies supply the anti-immigrant movement and its allied politicians with a stream of talking points and figures to back up their positions. Based in Washington, D.C., CIS is led by Executive Director Mark Krikorian." Your a complete idiot. Of course you would try to sell white supremacist bullshit aS FACTS HERE, YOU PEOPLE ARE NON STOP LIARS, YOU HAVE NO iDEA WHAT IS REAL AND WHAT ISN'T ,YOU LIVE OFF OF LIES AND DISTORTION AND THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE.
The truth is even a more bitter pill to swallow when it knocks over someone's personal golden calf. You cling to the big lie the lie that one "party is "better" or "different" than the other. There is one ruling group, the money people.
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Old October 29th, 2017, 03:30 PM   #52
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You're actually quoting Wasserman-Schultz.....oh my god.....


Here's an idea. HOW about actually clicking on the link and R.E.A.D.I.N.G. the fact check article?? YEAH--I know--crazy...but you should try it.
AND let's see if you can grasp the difference between Clara "actually quoting" Little Debbie and PolitiFact quoting. Scoot! Time's awastin'!
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Old October 29th, 2017, 03:43 PM   #53
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Gold star? Obimbo promised an illegal employer crackdown. What happened? Why are the numbers from the Center for Immigration Studies telling a different story!


Oh sweetie. We wondered WHERE you were getting your info and now we know.
Center for Immigration Studies (CIS). Why didn't I think of that?

They have done a whiz-bang job of sounding credible, haven't they? Mark Krikorian, their fearless leader (an immigrant himself) has managed to project the image of a reliable source for immigration research while pumping out “study after study aimed at highlighting immigration’s negative effects.”

Here's an example and you can check it out for yourself. Remember when CIS announced that Obama had released 36,000 undocumented immigrants with a combined 88,000somethingsomething convictions between them, including homicide, sexual assault, kidnapping, aggravated assault, drunk or drugged driving, and flight escape?? Remember? It was true.....except here's the rest of the story that Mr. Mark BIAS-Krikorian omitted ONE tiny detail. The illegals were sent to deportation centers and that was required BY U.S. LAW--not by Obama. CIS took the "release" completely out of context and offered NO OTHER information.
The Center for Immigration Studies refers to itself as a nonprofit, nonpartisan, independent research organization, boasting the puzzling tagline “Low Immigration, Pro Immigrant.” HUH??
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Old October 29th, 2017, 04:12 PM   #54
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Oh sweetie. We wondered WHERE you were getting your info and now we know.
Center for Immigration Studies (CIS). Why didn't I think of that?

They have done a whiz-bang job of sounding credible, haven't they? Mark Krikorian, their fearless leader (an immigrant himself) has managed to project the image of a reliable source for immigration research while pumping out “study after study aimed at highlighting immigration’s negative effects.”

Here's an example and you can check it out for yourself. Remember when CIS announced that Obama had released 36,000 undocumented immigrants with a combined 88,000somethingsomething convictions between them, including homicide, sexual assault, kidnapping, aggravated assault, drunk or drugged driving, and flight escape?? Remember? It was true.....except here's the rest of the story that Mr. Mark BIAS-Krikorian omitted ONE tiny detail. The illegals were sent to deportation centers and that was required BY U.S. LAW--not by Obama. CIS took the "release" completely out of context and offered NO OTHER information.
The Center for Immigration Studies refers to itself as a nonprofit, nonpartisan, independent research organization, boasting the puzzling tagline “Low Immigration, Pro Immigrant.” HUH??
They do love them their fake news, don't they.
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Old October 29th, 2017, 11:27 PM   #55
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I mean can they read. Their hateful cruel budget bill takes trillions from the needy and gives it directly to Big B, the wealthy and the military(which of course is to the wealthy). They say that we need tax cuts and deregulation for business at the same time that Big b has the highest profits in history, the fastest increase of profit in history, and the highest percentage of gross that is profit in history. Business needs nothing. They are trying to sell it as a jobs bill, how stupid do they think people are.
Probably what bothers me the most is how weak minded their supporters are, to go along with this, when it is totally against their best interest. It's disappointing to see a population with that level of intelligence. It only tells me how easy it would be for some wacko to take over this country as a dictator.
They can't! And it seems they're not going to bother hiding it anymore...like the Dems do:


The GOP Is No Longer Trying to Hide Its Inhuman Priorities

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On Thursday, House Republicans decided that tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations are such an urgent necessity, it would be worth adding $1.5 trillion to the deficit to ensure their passage. Hours later, the Republican president declared the opioid epidemic a “public health emergency” — but refused to commit a single dollar of new funds to address it.

To preempt criticism of the latter point, the White House tweeted a meme:

Although the GOP has voted to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit for their tax plan, the president has actually proposed some $5.8 trillion in cuts (to be offset with unspecified loophole closures and spending cuts). According to an analysis from the Tax Policy Center, the top one percent of income earners would collect about 80 percent of that lost revenue.

So, at a time when corporate profits and income inequality are at historic highs — and drug overdoses are killing more than 50,000 Americans a year — the White House is bragging that it has treated the opioid epidemic as though it were 0.017 percent as important as tax cuts for the wealthy.

And even this is an overstatement. Note that tweet’s passive voice: The $1 billion Trump refers to here was appropriated under the 21st Century Cures Act, which was signed into law by Barack Obama last December. This administration hasn’t allocated any new funds to fight the epidemic. In fact, it spent the better part of its first year in office trying to cut $1 trillion for Medicaid, one of America’s primary sources of funding for addiction treatment.

Historically, conservatives have made an effort to hide the fact that they have priorities that almost no one in the United States would endorse. When Republicans voted against economic stimulus at a time of deep recession, or expanding affordable health insurance to low-income people in an era of widespread medical bankruptcies, or relief funding for the victims of Hurricane Sandy, they would insist that they were not indifferent to the suffering of the non-affluent, but were merely convinced that a higher national debt posed a greater threat to the unfortunate than anything else.

The House Freedom Caucus has used this rationale to deny aid to victims of natural disasters and force the government to the brink of debt default. At this very moment, they are blocking reauthorization of the $8 billion Children’s Health Insurance Program until Democrats agree to offset that money with cuts to health-care programs for adults.

And yet, on Thursday, the Freedom Caucus declined to oppose one of the largest debt increases in American history, while many of its loudest fiscal hawks voted to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit for tax cuts — which is about 187 times the amount of money they refuse to add to the deficit for children’s health care.

The mask is off. The debt never mattered. The GOP is a party owned and for sociopathic plutocrats. Republican voters may be skeptical of “big government.” They may hate bureaucracy and red tape. But approximately zero percent of them believe it’s responsible to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit for rich people’s tax cuts, but reckless to add $8 billion children’s health care. In fact, a recent Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 75 percent of Republican voters want to prioritize deficit reduction over cutting taxes on the wealthy, while 63 percent say the same about cutting them for corporations.

In a functioning republic, a major political party wouldn’t think of spending trillions of dollars on an unpopular gift to the economic elite while refusing to commit more than $1 billion to a public-health emergency concentrated among its own voters. In the United States in 2017, the Republicans are doing just that — and don’t even feel a need to hide it.
The secret is conservatism and libertarianism have always been ideologies that work for the interests of the rich and powerful, and now that they're figuring out how to keep common people divided and are perfecting their voter-disenfranchisement strategies(House of Reps only remains Republican majority because of selective gerrymandering, while Cross-check strategies eliminate thousands of voters predetermined as not likely GOP voters) then the rich can have their way, while their political servants don't even have to hide what they're doing anymore....like when their Senators vote to repeal a law allowing class action lawsuits against banks and credit card companies.
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Old October 29th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #56
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Capitalism definitely sucks for a majority of people. However, it is the system we currently live under and we all are a part of it whether we like it or not.

Capitalism isn't supposed to work for everyone, that's just a myth. All of these things are the nature of the system in which we live under.
Today's late-stage capitalism is dominated by global finance that keeps the vast majority of people in permanent debt servitude today! Kids who are told you can't get a job beyond flipping hamburgers without a college education, are forced to spend thousands in college loans that..with diminishing wages even for the educated...means they will be stuck in debt bondage for life. And then there's all the governments who for some reason, can't create their own currency and money supplies anymore...they have to work through large banking institutions and pay them interest for the privilege!

Governments drowing in debt and majorities of citizens permanently in debts they can't pay off, means that today's international finance capital system has more control over the majority of people in the world than at any time in history.
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Old October 30th, 2017, 12:00 AM   #57
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More people all over the world live above subsistence poverty than 3ver in th3 history of th3 world. Thanks capitalism.
NO, that is fraudulent, misleading neoliberal argument based on GDP numbers and worse: estimated GDP in some areas of the world.

The fatal flaw with using GDP as the yardstick to measure wellbeing and standards of living is that GDP doesn't assign any value whatsoever to products and production that are not monetized! For example: the long-tried strategy of "Clearing The Commons" which began in England with the start of the first "industrial revolution," forced peasant farmers off of lands that belonged to communities by historic right to the land, BUT were not individually owned. So the shared grazing lands were deemed of little value in economic terms, because only surplus product was sold for money...usually locally in nearby villages.

Were those first involuntary servants to the steam-powered mills in East London and Sheffield better off once they hit the cities assuming they were able to get those horrible factory jobs? Not likely! Even if we discount the horrible working conditions(long hours, dangerous working conditions, air pollution etc.) the mill workers got paid a pittance which they had to buy substandard, overpriced food that they no longer produced themselves.

A few years back, when the search for the cheapest possible industrial labor brought the industrial revolution to countries like Cambodia, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, I noticed a small biographical story of a couple of typical textile mill workers in Bangladesh, who's government was following that 'clearing the commons' strategy, of forcing more and more people off the land. The two interview subjects were telling their stories at a time when factory fires and building collapses of substandard operations were able to make the news even in the west. The basic outline was that two families from rural Bangladesh were forced out to move in to the City of Dacca and try to adapt to a whole new way of life..working in a mill and finding adequate shelter. Were they happier and wealthier after moving to the City? Not as they saw it! Before they were forced out, they worked the fields and grew their own food and tried to earn some money by selling the surplus when they could. While after they ended up working 12 to 14 hour days in the mill, according to all the fancy economic numbers, they should be more prosperous, even though they're paying for their food at city markets. But that again is only because their life on the land did not add as much monetary value to the economy...even though they ate better and felt better in their former life.

So, when it's all said and done, Fuck capitalism! Because most people can tell they're being lied to, even if they have no education, they can tell the 'new economy' is not making their lives better. And it's a system that's wasting resources so fast and destroying ecosystems so fast, it won't last much longer...the question is: will the human race last much longer?

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The truth is even a more bitter pill to swallow when it knocks over someone's personal golden calf. You cling to the big lie the lie that one "party is "better" or "different" than the other. There is one ruling group, the money people.
If your perspective is to change that situation, you do tend to find, I think, that one of their parties is a good deal more usable than the other, as Mr Sanders demonstrated.
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If your perspective is to change that situation, you do tend to find, I think, that one of their parties is a good deal more usable than the other, as Mr Sanders demonstrated.
Nope. Sorry.
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They can't! And it seems they're not going to bother hiding it anymore...like the Dems do:


The GOP Is No Longer Trying to Hide Its Inhuman Priorities


The secret is conservatism and libertarianism have always been ideologies that work for the interests of the rich and powerful, and now that they're figuring out how to keep common people divided and are perfecting their voter-disenfranchisement strategies(House of Reps only remains Republican majority because of selective gerrymandering, while Cross-check strategies eliminate thousands of voters predetermined as not likely GOP voters) then the rich can have their way, while their political servants don't even have to hide what they're doing anymore....like when their Senators vote to repeal a law allowing class action lawsuits against banks and credit card companies.
I agree about what you say but there is a clear division between the hate party and the Democrats and the wealthy Democrats understand that. They except the higher taxes needed to to take care of the needy in this country. They vote to support people in need all the time, They support Veterans while the hate party votes against most veterans bills. They believe in a progressive tax system and the level of that progressive tax is totally opposite of what the right wants. They appose the transfer of wealth to the top through tax structure. They support and write bills that fights against the massive disparity of income that the right support. They understand that if you take away the promise of the possibility to get ahead in capitalism that capitalism dies. In this country if capitalism dies this country dies and the right doesn't care and would gladly take that chance as long as they get it all.
They know that demographics is their death knell, so they will do everything possible to take away the rights of voting blocks that are populated by democrats. They have no problem at all looking the other way as their clown Prince, president Scum Bag sells out this country daily. They have no problems with his hate driven policies, cruelty, bigotry, Chauvinism, Islamophobia, hatred of your government. They would totally sell out this country and they would gladly throw away democracy for the bottom line. They have degraded to a lower level of humanity where the only ones that count are them and the people who control them. They are the biggest threat this country has. They have to go.
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