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Old November 3rd, 2017, 10:45 AM   #11
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Anyone who has been on a field of battle knows that desertion is the worst thing you can do to any unit.
That's your arm-chair opinion.


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Couple that with men dying looking for him? Death. Don't really care what you think about it, don't really care what "modern precedent" there may or may not be. He should have been shot.
And none of this means anything regarding the fact that your described punishment is completely out of whack with what the military actually does.


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The right has fixated so much on making this molehill a political mountain that they fail to keep in perspective the actual crime and the modern relative punishment for the crime involved.
The actual crime is desertion on the battle field and costing American service people their lives.
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Despite a rise in desertions from the Army as the Iraq war drags on into a fifth year, the U.S. military does almost nothing to find those who flee and rarely prosecutes those it gets its hands on.
An Associated Press examination of Pentagon figures shows that 174 troops were court-martialed by the Army last year for desertion — a figure that amounts to just 5 percent of the 3,301 soldiers who deserted in fiscal year 2006. The figures are about 1 percent or less for the Navy and the Marines, according to data obtained by the AP under the Freedom of Information Act.
Some deserters are simply allowed to return to their units, while the majority are discharged in non-criminal proceedings on less-than-honorable terms.
Military shows little effort to find deserters - US news - Military | NBC News
Somehow you are under the delusion that what Bergdahl did was universally unique.
It ain't. People desert all the time and they get punished for it.
The punishment is never as extreme as what you describe.

And in all those 3,301 cases (described above, but more are out there), NONE of them were shot.
AND YOU DO NOT CARE that none of them were shot.
But Bergdahl is the ONE GUY you want to fixate on getting shot.

You seriously can't demonstrate any self-reflection to understand how myopic your perspective is?
(rhetorical question...)
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Old November 3rd, 2017, 10:50 AM   #12
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Anyone who has been on a field of battle knows that desertion is the worst thing you can do to any unit. Couple that with men dying looking for him? Death. Don't really care what you think about it, don't really care what "modern precedent" there may or may not be. He should have been shot.

The right has fixated so much on making this molehill a political mountain that they fail to keep in perspective the actual crime and the modern relative punishment for the crime involved.

The actual crime is desertion on the battle field and costing American service people their lives.
Blah-blah-blah-blah... and thank you for your personal opinion on the matter.
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Old November 3rd, 2017, 11:44 AM   #13
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Yawn, not a brain in your head kid. But then you never serve so you have no idea of the implications of this.
Well, that explains the draft dodger and coward in the White Houses response.
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Old November 3rd, 2017, 12:19 PM   #14
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That's your arm-chair opinion.



And none of this means anything regarding the fact that your described punishment is completely out of whack with what the military actually does.



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Despite a rise in desertions from the Army as the Iraq war drags on into a fifth year, the U.S. military does almost nothing to find those who flee and rarely prosecutes those it gets its hands on.
An Associated Press examination of Pentagon figures shows that 174 troops were court-martialed by the Army last year for desertion — a figure that amounts to just 5 percent of the 3,301 soldiers who deserted in fiscal year 2006. The figures are about 1 percent or less for the Navy and the Marines, according to data obtained by the AP under the Freedom of Information Act.
Some deserters are simply allowed to return to their units, while the majority are discharged in non-criminal proceedings on less-than-honorable terms.
Military shows little effort to find deserters - US news - Military | NBC News
Somehow you are under the delusion that what Bergdahl did was universally unique.
It ain't. People desert all the time and they get punished for it.
The punishment is never as extreme as what you describe.

And in all those 3,301 cases (described above, but more are out there), NONE of them were shot.
AND YOU DO NOT CARE that none of them were shot.
But Bergdahl is the ONE GUY you want to fixate on getting shot.

You seriously can't demonstrate any self-reflection to understand how myopic your perspective is?
(rhetorical question...)
You have no idea how irrelevant your opinion is here. You've never been in battle. You still use a lot of words and never really say anything. I need no "self reflection" to understand that treason, and not just treason, but treason that kills other members of the unit justifies the death penalty.

In a battlefield situation your life depends on the guy next to you doing his job because it can mean life or death to you or others you don't just get to walk away. So pardon me if I simply discount your lack of any real knowledge on how things are done in the Military.

Oh yes....

You seriously can't demonstrate any self-reflection to understand how myopic your perspective is?

Stop crying about others verbally returning your attacks.
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Well, that explains the draft dodger and coward in the White Houses response.
Yup, Clinton and Trumps are idiots.
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Blah-blah-blah-blah... and thank you for your personal opinion on the matter.
No, we both know what an act of treason that he committed.
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Yup, Clinton and Trumps are idiots.

Clinton isn't in the White House.

The election was over a year ago.

Clinton shares no culpability on any issue.

The open enrollment period is underway. You should sign up for a plan, and obtain some professional counseling for that peculiar obsession you have with a candidate that lost an election a year ago, who is still living rent free in your head.
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Clinton isn't in the White House.

The election was over a year ago.

Clinton shares no culpability on any issue.

The open enrollment period is underway. You should sign up for a plan, and obtain some professional counseling for that peculiar obsession you have with a candidate that lost an election a year ago, who is still living rent free in your head.
LOL, BILL Clinton was the ultimate draft dodger son. Clinton and Trump are both turds.
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Bergdahl is one of the issues blowing up Twitter this afternoon...(the other being Donna Brazille), and once again I'm reminded how much more shallow and uninformed the way people think today seems to have become!

If I can explain: even though I don't follow many cons, I expected my timeline to be filled with #traitor memes, telling us that all six soldiers who died within the range of Bergdahl's disappearence were on missions searching for him, but almost none of the #Bergdahl posts rising to his defense mentioned that: he was already imprisoned for 5 years under horrible conditions by the Taliban; asked why the fuck are US troops still occupying "the graveyard of empires"; or was his ill-thought night trip to leave the base an indicator of PTSD or some form of mental illness - even his trial didn't explore that option.

Most of what jumps up front calling itself 'the left' is pro-war/not antiwar...pro-empire/NOT demanding the empire be ended or torn down. Maybe part of the reason why it's so difficult to make people think of the value and morality of today's neverending wars.

The real issue is not whether one soldier has some kind of panic attack and tries to run away in the middle of the night, the real issue is the US Department of "Defense" can't make any justifiable arguments that defense of the homeland is its objective when it has troops and bases scattered all over the world, projecting US political and commercial power, and has trooops in at least 8 ongoing war zones today. The only way this system works is by making the general population comatose through a steady stream of propaganda and mind-manipulation and the simple fact that it's The Other One Percent...mostly those who decide they have no hope for future advancement without a military career...are the ones who are sent off to do the dirty work for the Empire! Unlike Vietnam, the only journalists allowed to cover the scene are "embedded" with the military..they know what they're allowed and not allowed to film and say about the war when they file their stories. They don't see the bloody results of wars half way around the world, unlike Vietnam.

But, like all empires, this game is becoming more expensive, creating unpayable debts for future generations, and like all empires, this one will also eventually reach the breaking point where the costs of empire outweigh the benefits! Hopefully that day of reckoning will occur before the Pentagon planners arrive at their current goals of direct military engagement with Russia and China!
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