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Old November 7th, 2017, 08:12 AM   #31
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Why do you seem to think that others should answer your questions while you ignore their's?
Which has nothing to do with the thread or my question. There is a difference between not answering questions and you not being able to recognize an answer. Either way, you'll live.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 09:17 AM   #32
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This kind of black and white thinking is responsible for the terribly polarized 2017 version of the US. It's preposterous on its face. No one wants to abolish free speech other than some of those on the extreme ends of the political spectrum.

And indeed, only those of extreme viewpoints claim that anyone wants to abolish free speech.



Nope, the times are changing as Dylan sung more than 50 years ago. On a world that has no frontiers left, a frontier mentality is dysfunctional. It's finite planet. We gotta live together.

This means, no, everyone doesn't necessarily get everything they want all the time, fuck everyone else. That attitude, that out-of-sync with time attitude is in the largest part responsible for the sorry state of our nation.

Black and white attitudes like the one you expressed above, that some citizens want to ABOLISH free speech, will not be of any assistance in facing the future and the challenges it will bring. And the challenges are formidable.


First off, leftists want hate speech laws. Nothing includes everything. Silly premise. But the general consensus is that they do. Those are language laws and are against personal liberties. Look around, take an objective step back. The left is still spinning in 2008 as the youth are taking a more libertarian approach to politics. Look at people like ben Shapiro and milo. No longer the throw awat the key on all the pot heads and the gays mentality.

What makes some one right these days is immigration and not wanting children to have sex altering hormone therapy. Oh and free speech and guns.

Basicly a classical liberal is now a nazi.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 10:55 AM   #33
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This kind of black and white thinking is responsible for the terribly polarized 2017 version of the US. It's preposterous on its face. No one wants to abolish free speech other than some of those on the extreme ends of the political spectrum.

And indeed, only those of extreme viewpoints claim that anyone wants to abolish free speech.



Nope, the times are changing as Dylan sung more than 50 years ago. On a world that has no frontiers left, a frontier mentality is dysfunctional. It's finite planet. We gotta live together.

This means, no, everyone doesn't necessarily get everything they want all the time, fuck everyone else. That attitude, that out-of-sync with time attitude is in the largest part responsible for the sorry state of our nation.

Black and white attitudes like the one you expressed above, that some citizens want to ABOLISH free speech, will not be of any assistance in facing the future and the challenges it will bring. And the challenges are formidable.
A frontier mentality in a world without frontiers, a finite world. What an insightful concept. I hadn't thought of that before.

And it also fits the good-guy gunslinger image so many love to talk about.

I suspect there is a large degree of Walter Mitty in that.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 10:58 AM   #34
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That seems to be your standard go to post when you're trolling. Everyone that you can't compete with has a reading comprehension problem and doesn't answer your questions. You're a sick bitter old coot that needs to get a life. Go ahead, report me.
And your standard is to dodge and deflect when asked a question you don't want to answer, which is most of the time.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 11:16 AM   #35
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And your standard is to dodge and deflect when asked a question you don't want to answer, which is most of the time.
Ask an intelligent question pertaining to the topic. I know you can't. So far, all you've shown is infantile trolling like your pissant pal.
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Old November 7th, 2017, 01:36 PM   #36
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Please study a little harder in your civics class.

The right to free speech was intended to give people the right to criticize - even condemn - the government. A freedom considered precious as the citizens had been living under a sovereignship which harshly punished critics.

It was never meant for citizens to be free to advocate the dehumanization and demeaning belittlement of fellow citizens.
Being conditional means that it is not free speech.

You are wrong. That is why the ACLU defended the nazis right to march in Skokie, Ill. a few decades ago... and the ACLU was predominantly Jewish just as Skokie was. They did not share your limited rights viewpoint back then.
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Seriously, why do leftists hate liberties? They want to abolish free speech and remove the peoples ability to protect themselves?

When i was younger the religious right were the biggest threat, the prominent authoritarians. Wow, how times have changed. These collectivists are terrifying, but hey pol pot thought he was doing good stuff too.

They are insane, it is a mental disease.

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Old November 7th, 2017, 04:05 PM   #40
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What is hate speech?
Hate speech is any speech critical of any protected class or agenda that the left supports. It's political speech, and nothing to do with "hate". The left spews hate speech at Christians, the NRA, pro lifers, home schoolers, etc, and is allowed to do so because those groups are not part of the left's protected class.
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