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Old December 2nd, 2017, 01:03 PM   #11
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Of course, they were all perfectly innocent....but in that case, why the lies ?
There is an interesting article on the BBC linked below. Two quotes from it:

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Under the Logan Act it is illegal for a private US citizen, as Mr Flynn was during the transition period, to conduct foreign affairs without the permission or involvement of the US government.
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Michael Flynn previously served in the Obama administration before being fired. Mr Obama reportedly advised his successor not to hire the former general, but Mr Trump appointed him to one of the most senior positions in the country.
And FTR, the title is a quote of what the Republican President is claiming, not what the story says.

Trump-Russia: Flynn's dealings were 'lawful' - BBC News
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Old December 2nd, 2017, 02:32 PM   #12
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Then why did he fucking lie about it? He is now looking at 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine for that lie. It must have been important at the time.

But you like to just ignore that, don't you.


Who denies that he may have lied, and he now admits (under duress) that he lied to a government agent (who are allowed to lie to you).

There is no statute that was broken in talking with any foreign power.
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Old December 2nd, 2017, 02:38 PM   #13
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So what? In this case, with all the media and the fact that a special prosecutor was appointed and all, Flynn knew.

Flynn knew what? There was no special counsel when he appears to have misstated facts to a government agent


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Knew what?
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Good grief, the 'Logan Act'. LOL Over 217 years old, one indictment, that was over 200 years ago, zero convictions.

Why didn't Nixon go after George McGovern?

Why didn't Reagan go after Ted 'kissing up to the USSR' Kennedy? Or dozens of Dims who thought that they ran foreign policy in the 1980's? Dear Commandante letter, etc.
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Who denies that he may have lied, and he now admits (under duress) that he lied to a government agent (who are allowed to lie to you).

There is no statute that was broken in talking with any foreign power.

Flynn is guilty of violating the Logan Act if he (1) had communication with a foreign government; (2) with the intent to influence that foreign government, (3) while being a U.S. citizen without the authority to engage in diplomatic discussions on behalf of the United States. If Flynn violated this law, he would be guilty of a felony and face up to three years in prison.


Stop making excuses for the guy--the twit---face reality.
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Read the charges for Michael Flynn.

Read the charges, plea agreement for Michael Flynn - CNNPolitics


Is it illegal for someone to impede an FBI investigation? Is it illegal for someone to persuade a foreign government to vote a certain way--say for someone like Flynn to tell Russia how to vote on a resolution pending before the UN Security Council?
Is it illegal for someone--oh say a U.S. citizen--to tinker with the government of Turkey?

AND isn't it true that in the document Michael Flynn admits that "the defendant's acceptance does NOT include all the charges--all the facts known to him"??
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Flynn knew what? There was no special counsel when he appears to have misstated facts to a government agent





Knew what?
Even your hero, the Republican President says he lied and doesn't try and soften it up. But not you ex, you keep floating down that Egyptian River.
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Flynn knew what? There was no special counsel when he appears to have misstated facts to a government agent





Knew what?
That he lied like a fucking rug. Or didn't one of Bannon's brainfarts say that so you don't know it?
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Flynn is guilty of violating the Logan Act if he (1) had communication with a foreign government; (2) with the intent to influence that foreign government, (3) while being a U.S. citizen without the authority to engage in diplomatic discussions on behalf of the United States. If Flynn violated this law, he would be guilty of a felony and face up to three years in prison.


Stop making excuses for the guy--the twit---face reality.
The Logan Act! Good god, how many times have I seen Senators and Representatives meeting with government officials who we had troubled relations with. Senators who were not conducting official business of the President. Nancy Pelosi for example in Syria.

Remember the private citizen Jimmy Carter meeting with Hamas undermining the Bush administration.

The Logan Act! Ridiculous.
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The Logan Act! Good god, how many times have I seen Senators and Representatives meeting with government officials who we had troubled relations with. Senators who were not conducting official business of the President. Nancy Pelosi for example in Syria.

Remember the private citizen Jimmy Carter meeting with Hamas undermining the Bush administration.

The Logan Act! Ridiculous.
And if you were a prosecutor or a judge that opinion might mean at least a little bit. But you're not so it doesn't.
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