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Old January 27th, 2018, 08:01 PM   #21
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Evolving means changing in response to the environment.
With regards to the constitution, the change can be in the form of amendments or of court decisions, or statutes.
There is the liberal judge take over of the authority of the Legislature.
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Old January 27th, 2018, 08:28 PM   #22
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She has the right to vote due to a Constitutional amendment,the 19th amendment. It was passed and signed in as an amendment. That is not evolving, that is working like it is supposed to. I am equating the word evolve to "living document" nonsense.
...Should I use changing document? What word would make you happy? The constitution is an amazing foundation, there is no way that it should not change as we change. That itís the end all be all frame work for everyone in every place in time is just insane to me.
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Old January 27th, 2018, 08:36 PM   #23
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...Should I use changing document? What word would make you happy? The constitution is an amazing foundation, there is no way that it should not change as we change. That itís the end all be all frame work for everyone in every place in time is just insane to me.
its insane to you but the Constitution changes only with the proper legislative processes. Are you suggesting it just simply needs to be reinterpreted? If so you are very wrong.
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Old January 27th, 2018, 08:47 PM   #24
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its insane to you but the Constitution changes only with the proper legislative processes. Are you suggesting it just simply needs to be reinterpreted? If so you are very wrong.
So what happens when the legislative process is prostituted by money and power. Is so broken and bipartisan that nothing ever changes for the good of everyone, not just the half in power. I where the people vote but things just get worse for us? In actuality we never fully know how good a law will work until itís tested. Itís like the auto techs at a car dealership with a whole parts room where he can keep replacing parts until your car runs right without ever really knowing what their doing...
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Old January 27th, 2018, 08:53 PM   #25
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So what happens when the legislative process is prostituted by money and power. Is so broken and bipartisan that nothing ever changes for the good of everyone, not just the half in power. I where the people vote but things just get worse for us? In actuality we never fully know how good a law will work until itís tested. Itís like the auto techs at a car dealership with a whole parts room where he can keep replacing parts until your car runs right without ever really knowing what their doing...

Its not broken at all. It is as it has always been. You had the Democrats in power during the Obama administration. They enacted a whole lot of law changes. Even so you are not happy with what they did it seems to me.

On the other hand in the one year of the Republicans in power I am happy with what has been accomplished.

Why is that? Why are you not happy?
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Its not broken at all. It is as it has always been. You had the Democrats in power during the Obama administration. They enacted a whole lot of law changes. Even so you are not happy with what they did it seems to me.

On the other hand in the one year of the Republicans in power I am happy with what has been accomplished.

Why is that? Why are you not happy?
And every positive has a negative...
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There are 19 bills of Rights.

they are clear on what the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT do to us

1. Not suppose to create a national religion. But is also not suppose to prevent us from EXPRESSING our religion.. (What government cannot do)

2. The only right that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is the individual's right to bear arms.

3. Private property rights and they cannot force soldiers into our homes to live

4. They cannot search us without PROBALBLE cause.

5. DUE PROCESS and the right to not incriminate ourselves

6. Trials are not to be drawn out pitting a government with unlimited funds to bankrupt and out last an innocent person's power to fight the charges.

7. We have a right to be judged by our pears not by a Govenrment official

8. Punishments should fit the crime

9. Government cannot limit the rights granted by the constitution

10. The FEDERAL government cannot do anything that is not EXPRESSLY defined in the constitution if the Constitution does not in clear wording give the power to the Federal Government the federal government is not to have to power enforce.
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And every positive has a negative...
Is it possible that your positive/negative Democrat laws are just plain bad?
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She has the right to vote due to a Constitutional amendment,the 19th amendment. It was passed and signed in as an amendment. That is not evolving, that is working like it is supposed to. I am equating the word evolve to "living document" nonsense.


Semantics. Quibbling. Polari is talking about a document that CAN, SHOULD and HAS been changed/amended as 'we the people' change, whether it's by ratified amendments or national convention.

We can all agree that the founders were brilliant men, but they didn't have a crystal ball. There were LOTS of changes they just didn't see coming.

How do I know that? I know that because the United States Constitution now has 25 functioning amendments. There have been 27 ratified in total, but one of these, the 18th, was Prohibition and another, the 21st, was the repeal of Prohibition.

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Semantics. Quibbling. Polari is talking about a document that CAN, SHOULD and HAS be changed/amended as 'we the people' change, whether it's by ratified amendments or national convention.

We can all agree that the founders were brilliant men, but they didn't have a crystal ball. There were LOTS of changes they just didn't see coming.

How do I know that? I know that because the United States Constitution now has 25 functioning amendments. There have been 27 ratified in total, but one of these, the 18th, was Prohibition and another, the 21st, was the repeal of Prohibition.
In the partisan fog hanging thickly over the US, amending the Constitution has become impossible.

What constitutional issue could garner the required bipartisan support?

What amendment could be ratified by three-fourths of the states?

For the time being, there's no way to amend the Constitution.
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