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Old January 26th, 2018, 11:12 AM   #1
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the constitution wasn't supposed to be an evolving document...I just had to convince someone that it has...
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Define evolving ??
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Old January 26th, 2018, 11:18 AM   #3
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Changes as we learn and treat each other as equals, which in my opinion, the Constitution has always severely lacked...I had to remind a 70 something woman that it was an evolving document or she wouldn't have the right to vote!
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Of course, it must evolve...or the nation stagnates.
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Old January 26th, 2018, 11:22 AM   #5
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Changes as we learn and treat each other as equals, which in my opinion, the Constitution has always severely lacked...I had to remind a 70 something woman that it was an evolving document or she wouldn't have the right to vote!
Why do you say it wasn't supposed to be? If so, the FFs wouldn't have included mechanisms to amend it.

Unfortunately they didn't and couldn't foresee how the world would change and in fact the system of amending they built in is almost impossible to achieve today.
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Old January 26th, 2018, 11:31 AM   #6
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Why do you say it wasn't supposed to be? If so, the FFs wouldn't have included mechanisms to amend it.

Unfortunately they didn't and couldn't foresee how the world would change and in fact the system of amending they built in is almost impossible to achieve today.
I didn't realize I would have to convince someone it was, apparently there are a lot of people who don't understand how its changed...When you say almost impossible you just mean slow right? We are working on the equality of gay rights as we speak...Hey at least the 70 year old lady likes "the gays"...lol

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Changes as we learn and treat each other as equals, which in my opinion, the Constitution has always severely lacked...I had to remind a 70 something woman that it was an evolving document or she wouldn't have the right to vote!
If by evolving you mean amendments, then yes. Otherwise the founding fathers would not have included a process by which we could add, change or even undo amendments. They fully intended for us to be able to edit it. Thankfully they made the process rather onerous to keep us from making capricious alterations.

I do not subscribe to the "living document" theory. The document says what it says. How that is interpreted really shouldn't change that much over time.

Likewise I do not subscribe to the notion of putting an inordinate amount of weight on what the founding fathers SAID they intended when they wrote an article or amendment. They were after all still politicians and had to sell their ideas to the people. As an example, do you honestly think people believed the politicians when they said they weren't eventually going to grant full enfranchisement to the former slaves and their decedents as they were passing the 13th amendment ?
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I didn't realize I would have to convince someone it was, apparently there are a lot of people who don't understand how its changed...When you say almost impossible you just mean slow right? We are working on the equality of gay rights as we speak...Hey at least the 70 year old lady likes "he gays"...lol
But that is a societal change, not really a constitutional matter it appears to me.
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If by evolving you mean amendments, then yes. Otherwise the founding fathers would not have included a process by which we could add, change or even undo amendments. They fully intended for us to be able to edit it. Thankfully they made the process rather onerous to keep us from making capricious alterations.

I do not subscribe to the "living document" theory. The document says what it says. How that is interpreted really shouldn't change that much over time.

Likewise I do not subscribe to the notion of putting an inordinate amount of weight on what the founding fathers SAID they intended when they wrote an article or amendment. They were after all still politicians and had to sell their ideas to the people. As an example, do you honestly think people believed the politicians when they said they weren't eventually going to grant full enfranchisement to the former slaves and their decedents as they were passing the 13th amendment ?
Here is a serious problem. And Canada has exactly the same thing. The method we have to affect a change in our "constitution", like that of yours, is difficult as it should be. But in both Canada and the US, conditions are now such that making a change is more than difficult, it is very, very close to impossible now.
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There is also the Article V Convention of the States method to amend the Constitution, if Congress does not want to do something....which is under consideration right now....
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