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Old March 1st, 2018, 03:45 AM   #71
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So here's the Russians hacking the US presidential election, and all this time is being spent arguing about a secret court decision, that no one has seen, about what influenced that decision based on what?
If there was a problem, the place to take that problem is back to the judge at the FISA court, if the only problem is that the warrant brings the investigation closer to the fat orange clown, then the thing to do would be to argue in the media that there was a problem obtaining the warrant...knowing that the actual procedure would never be revealed to the public, you can say anything.
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Old March 1st, 2018, 04:39 AM   #72
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Backtracking, just like Steele.

It was already known he had "ties" to Russia, in fact he aided the FBI in their charges against several Russians, one of whom was convicted in court, the others not in country.

So what you posted here is meaningless for someone you alleged was in hot water. HOT HOT water I believe you said.

In fact, we now see more clearly how the FISA warrant was gained primarily through the use of the phony Steele dossier (see the Grassley, Graham conclusion which supports Nunes). A dossier which Steele has been walking back in answers he has given through his attorneys in a lawsuit in England.


Well, first of all, everyday, "normal" American citizens aren't usually under FBI investigation/surveillance for YEARS. That in itself makes Carter Page atypical and certainly singled out. I don't know about you, but if/when I find out that the Federal Bureau of Investigation is watching me, I would be pretty doggone sure I WAS IN hot HOT water. But okay--we'll let that go.

We still don’t know the important facts. Is the “salacious and unverified” memo now meaningfully verified? Have any of the four FISA judges indicated that they felt misled by the DOJ submissions? Was the FBI justified in seeking a FISA warrant rather than simply interviewing Carter Page once again--after being on their radar for 3 years prior to 2016?

I believe Carter Page is a liar and SHOULD NEVER have been part of the Trump campaign, but this seems to be one of the crumbling foundations of Trump's administration: Trump's lack of common sense, his choice of associates and his corrupt world.

We may never know the truth, but without the FBI, judges, media and FISA warrants we wouldn't know ANY of the details we NOW know.
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Old March 1st, 2018, 05:51 AM   #73
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So here's the Russians hacking the US presidential election, and all this time is being spent arguing about a secret court decision, that no one has seen, about what influenced that decision based on what?
If there was a problem, the place to take that problem is back to the judge at the FISA court, if the only problem is that the warrant brings the investigation closer to the fat orange clown, then the thing to do would be to argue in the media that there was a problem obtaining the warrant...knowing that the actual procedure would never be revealed to the public, you can say anything.
It is called deflection and right wingers are doing it on purpose. The Russians aren’t bad and the Americans that helped them aren’t bad. Only the agencies investigating them are bad. Got it ?
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We know that Page helped convict a Russian, and two other Russains were charged not in the country to be tried.

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McCarthy notes that: “(B)ecause Page was an American citizen, FISA law required that the FBI and the DOJ show not only that he was acting as an agent of a foreign power (Russia), but also that his ‘clandestine’ activities on behalf of Russia were a likely violation of federal criminal law. (See FISA, Section 1801(b)(2)(A) through (E), Title 50, U.S. Code.) It is the Steele dossier that alleges Page was engaged in arguably criminal activity. The Democrats point to nothing else that does.”

The Schiff memo offers that proof, the crucial passage of the Steele dossier undeniably used as the crux of their “criminal activity” contention. They present it as follows: “It is in this specific sub-section of the applications that DOJ refers to Steele’s reporting on Page and his alleged coordination with Russian officials. Steele’s information about Page was consistent with the FBI’s assessment of Russian intelligence efforts to recruit him and his connections to Russian persons of interest.”

“In particular, Steele’s sources reported that Page met separately while in Russia with Igor Sechin, a close associate of Vladimir Putin and executive chairman of Rosneft, Russia’s state-owned oil company, and Igor Divyekin, a senior Kremlin official. Sechin allegedly discussed the prospect of future U.S.-Russia energy cooperation and ‘an associated move to lift Ukraine-related western sanctions against Russia.’ Divyekin allegedly disclosed to Page that the Kremlin possessed compromising information on Clinton (‘kompromat’) and noted ‘the possibility of its being released to Candidate #l’s campaign.’ (Note: ‘Candidate #1’ refers to candidate Trump.) This closely tracks what other Russian contacts were informing another Trump foreign policy advisor, George Papadopoulos.”

The problem with this crucial passage is that it contains a fatal flaw, in that it is almost-certainly wrong. Page has testified repeatedly, under oath, that he had no such contact, meetings, or conversations with either Sechin or Divyekin. He did so both to the members of the HPSCI committee and during his numerous interviews with the FBI. He has further testified that he has never met Sechin in his life. He even issued a written denial in a letter he sent to former FBI director James Comey in September 2016, wherein he offered to meet with the FBI to resolve the issue.
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But we don’t have to take Page’s word for it, nor should we. If there is evidence to the contrary, Page should quite rightly be arrested and charged with, at a minimum, lying to the HPSCI and to the FBI. Were there evidence or corroboration to confirm illicit engagements with Sechin and Divyekin, as reported in the dossier and declared to be credible by the FBI/DOJ officials testifying to the FISC judge, Page is dead to rights.

Yet Page walks free. The absence of evidence sufficient to arrest and charge Page with lying about his alleged treasonous and conspiratorial activities, coupled with the critical role those very allegations played in convincing a judge to approve a FISA warrant targeting his communications, leaves Citizen Page in a rather unique state of judicial and political limbo.
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