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Old March 24th, 2018, 03:28 PM   #11
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DJ received big cheers, big applause when he talked about Sinapore's and Beijing's "zero tolerance" drug policies. In Singapore, a conviction for possession of 500 g., about 1,1 pounds, of the evil weed ends your life.

Red meat for the Coliseum attendees, h88. Watch it: https://youtu.be/2V8UABh0pDw?t=10s

He even took a backhanded swing at Melania. The man is utterly morally bankrupt.
He's nuts, it's just that simple.
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Old March 24th, 2018, 04:28 PM   #12
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How do you feel about it?

I could consider it if the CEOs if the drugs companies were on the list, but of course the pres isn't talking about those folks.
I posted about this when he said it, but i don't remember the thread.

I am against the war on drugs 100% and do not see how anyone can justify this. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to get there. This, IMO is a huge flaw in the GOP and old school conservatives thinking. They can justify state sanctioned murder and have no problem abandoning their religious principles in this aspect but in turn wish to press these same principles in regard to abortion. Seems hypocritical to me. I know...i know...an eye for an eye and all.

I do agree w/ the premise of the drug CEO s being held to the same standards and in turn the pill pushing Drs. The real drug epidemic is all sanctioned by the state. Even the heroin problem can be traced back to the state. This is absolutely ridiculous.
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Old March 24th, 2018, 04:54 PM   #13
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I don't like the death penalty in general, and I'm almost totally opposed to it. I can't bring myself to be opposed to it for the monsters who commit premeditated murder, because by doing so they have shown that they have no respect for human life thus there's no reason they deserve to have any right to live to be respected. That doesn't mean I'm saying that everyone who has committed premeditated murder necessarily ought to get the death penalty, only that this line of reasoning is why I can't say I'm opposed to it.

As a libertarian, I generally don't like the idea of making any good or service illegal, and I'm generally also opposed to the idea of crimes without victims. Generally, I take the "buyer beware" position.

Just a note - I don't like referring to something used for recreational purposes as drugs, because to me the word "drugs" is supposed to mean something used for healing & medical purposes, so I'm going to say "recreational substances" instead.

When it comes to recreational substances, I suppose one could argue that it's more of a gray area, since there actually is - in a manner of speaking - a victim. Usually to me the word "victim" means that the person being subjected to the intentional or negligent actions of another person (the perp/assailant/culprit/etc.) does not wish for it to happen and it is an action that has some sort of negative, harmful, or deadly effect/result. For example, murder, rape, mugging, fraud, assault/battery, vandalism, arson, etc.

We can argue whether recreational substance pushers shouldn't be out there selling deadly substances vs. we're all responsible for the decisions we freely choose to make; recreational substance pushers aren't forcing anyone to buy their products, and one might even argue that intentionally killing customers can be bad for business.

I would even argue that politicians imposing socialized medicine are worse than recreational substance pushers, because one is forcing everyone to buy a good/service, the other one isn't.

Even if I were to say "ok fine, make the dangerous drugs, the ones that can lead to overdose deaths, illegal", I still wouldn't want it to be declared a capital offense.

I think it was a mistake to make any recreational substances illegal in the first place; when something is banned, it results in a black market and becomes more profitable, then it goes from there - in the case of recreational substances - to the investment into the creation of more powerful & more addictive substances. Had they not been made illegal, the couldn't have been able to present itself in the first place, and those deadly substances probably wouldn't even exist now.
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I posted about this when he said it, but i don't remember the thread.

I am against the war on drugs 100% and do not see how anyone can justify this. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to get there. This, IMO is a huge flaw in the GOP and old school conservatives thinking. They can justify state sanctioned murder and have no problem abandoning their religious principles in this aspect but in turn wish to press these same principles in regard to abortion. Seems hypocritical to me. I know...i know...an eye for an eye and all.

I do agree w/ the premise of the drug CEO s being held to the same standards and in turn the pill pushing Drs. The real drug epidemic is all sanctioned by the state. Even the heroin problem can be traced back to the state. This is absolutely ridiculous.
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If you want to know how the opioid epidemic got so out of control, it’s hard to do better than this statistic: Between 2006 and 2016, out-of-state drug companies shipped nearly 21 million opioid painkillers to two pharmacies in Williamson, West Virginia, population 2,900.

That comes from a report by Eric Eyre at the Charleston Gazette-Mail, citing a new congressional investigation into massive shipments of the opioid painkillers oxycodone and hydrocodone in West Virginia by drug wholesalers Miami-Luken and H.D. Smith.

Previously, Eyre had found in an award-winning investigation that from 2007 to 2012, drug firms poured a total of 780 million painkillers into the state — which has a total population of about 1.8 million. The small town of Kermit had a population of 392, but a single pharmacy there received 9 million hydrocodone pills over two years from out-of-state drug companies.

We know the consequences. West Virginia suffered by far the highest drug overdose death rate out of any state in 2016, the latest year with full data. The state’s overdose death rate was 48.3 per 100,000 people that year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In comparison, the state’s homicide rate in 2016 was 5.9 per 100,000, and its rate of fatal car crashes was 15.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...inia-shipments

Corporate homicides.
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Old March 24th, 2018, 05:09 PM   #15
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They didn't until they found their voices and the legalization movement began.

But it's deeper than that. The Constitution does not grant the feds power to criminalize drugs. That's why the 18th Amendment was passed, to give the feds a way to criminalize alcohol.
This is why the executive branch creates alphabet agencies. This is how they circumnavigate the constitution. Just wait until they use hate speech and libel laws against free speech both IRL and on line. It will be so awesome if they can first find a way around the 2nd amendment.

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Step away from the window
Go back to sleep

Lay your head down child
I won't let the boogeyman come
Counting bodies like sheep
To the rhythm of the war drums
Pay no mind to the rabble
Pay no mind to the rabble
Head down, go to sleep
To the rhythm of the war drums

Pay no mind what other voices say
They don't care about you
Like I do
Like I do
Safe from pain and truth and choice and other poison devils
See they don't give a fuck about you
Like I do

Just stay with me
Safe and ignorant
Go back to sleep
Go back to sleep

Lay your head down child
I won't let the boogeyman come
Count the bodies like sheep
To the rhythm of the war drums
Pay no mind to the rabble
Pay no mind to the rabble
Head down, go to sleep
To the rhythm of the war drums

I'll be the one to protect you from
Your enemies and all your demons
I'll be the one to protect you from
A will to survive and a voice of reason
I'll be the one to protect you from
Your enemies and your choices son
One and the same I must isolate you
Isolate and save you from yourself

Swaying to the rhythm of the new world order and
Count the bodies like sheep
To the rhythm of the war drum
The boogeymen are coming
The boogeymen are coming
Keep your head down go to sleep
To the rhythm of the war drums

Stay with me
Safe and ignorant
Just stay with me
Hold you and protect you from the other ones
The evil ones
Don't love you son
Go back to sleep


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Old March 24th, 2018, 05:29 PM   #16
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https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...inia-shipments

Corporate homicides.
I used to work w/ the homeless and addicts as a job. I couldn't handle it any more. Not the clients but the politics of working for a non profit. Now i still it just in a different aspect and because i want to and i am good at it. The addicts that were created by the state are the worse. Not because they "Dont belong" like so many people have a tendency to say but because it is such a shocker to them. One day they are coming home w/ a herniated disk and some pills to help them to get on w/ their day. A few short years latter they are copping shitty Fentanyl laced dope from a part of town they didn't even previously know existed and shooting between their toes w/ a dirty needle.

How it sounds like such a radical idea when i say that i believe that the pharmaceutical companies should be financially responsible for the drug problem. They sold us Oxy as the non addictive replacement to the addictive opioids that tbey were already prescribing.


Shameful.
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Old March 24th, 2018, 06:49 PM   #17
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the death penalty is total bullshit, period. So is the war on drugs.
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Duterte literally did nothing wrong though. The only thing I would say is a problem is the extrajudicial killings. Really what we ought to do is have a one year grace period where people can check in to rehab centers of their own accord, and drug running, smuggling and even possession after the grace period is more than just a slap on the wrist.

Of course that would be an effecive war on drugs, which is the opposite goal of their current conception. Our war on drugs is very much ineffective by design.

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100% for the death penalty.......
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I used to work w/ the homeless and addicts as a job. I couldn't handle it any more. Not the clients but the politics of working for a non profit. Now i still it just in a different aspect and because i want to and i am good at it. The addicts that were created by the state are the worse. Not because they "Dont belong" like so many people have a tendency to say but because it is such a shocker to them. One day they are coming home w/ a herniated disk and some pills to help them to get on w/ their day. A few short years latter they are copping shitty Fentanyl laced dope from a part of town they didn't even previously know existed and shooting between their toes w/ a dirty needle.

How it sounds like such a radical idea when i say that i believe that the pharmaceutical companies should be financially responsible for the drug problem. They sold us Oxy as the non addictive replacement to the addictive opioids that tbey were already prescribing.


Shameful.
The one who wrote the prescription is GUILTY.....PERIOD
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