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Old March 25th, 2018, 10:26 AM   #11
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Did you ever read in American history where congress wanted to abolish slavery, which it had established, and some states wanted it to continue on so that they could be "built up to the same levels as the norther state"........Was you ever taught that, I was.....
During this process the south had become a powerful economy who challenged the north.......was you taught that, I was....
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Old March 25th, 2018, 12:33 PM   #12
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LOL.. is their anyone with more than about an 8th geade education that does NOT know that?
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mises.org

A site dedicated to the mistaken ramblings of would be economist, by his devoted acolyte.

A site much used by the right to support their ridiculous economic theories.


The big lie is "that people say Lincoln started the war to free the slaves".

No one says that except to set up strawman.

More bullshit from a site beloved by morons.....
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Old March 25th, 2018, 12:55 PM   #14
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Did you ever read in American history where congress wanted to abolish slavery, which it had established, and some states wanted it to continue on so that they could be "built up to the same levels as the norther state"........Was you ever taught that, I was.....
During this process the south had become a powerful economy who challenged the north.......was you taught that, I was....

You were taught bullshit propaganda to support the racist thugs that ruled your state.
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Old March 25th, 2018, 02:26 PM   #15
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How do these fucking corporate propagandists expect anyone to believe their bullshit today when they write up one of the very few articles on their site that mentions nothing about the economic facts behind the slavery industry?

We've been over this many times before...the Confederates had bigger dreams than "state sovereignty"! They were scoping out the viability of re-establishing slavery in Mexico, along with setting up slave colonies in Central America and Brazil. So, they had dreams of creating and building an empire based on slave labor, and everyone in learned circles in America at the time, who were aware of these operations knew that a free Confederate States of America would grow geographically and economically to the point where it would completely overwhelm the North. And if they couldn't re-establish slavery in the rest of the nation, a bankrupted Northern Union would have had no resources to expand west, and would have been shut out as a major trading partner of England and France, who were as dependent on cheap cotton from the south as the mills of New York were at the time of the leadup before the War began!

The Confederate states were wealthier than the North at the outbreak of the Civil War, BUT most of that wealth consisted of human capital - slaves! And once the Civil War was over and the South lost, they didn't have a pot to piss in because the end of slavery erased all their human capital wealth off the books, and they couldn't pay their war debts with their confederate money! Amazing that the libertarian apologists for the oligarchy aren't aware of this!
Just like the housing bubble in the first decade of this century, when the middle class in ther South figured out how lucrative cotton crops had become, they borrowed all they could to get in on the act themselves. Even the southern states started loaning money to small cotton farmers to buy land and slaves. It was at this time that the large relocation of the Indian population kicked into high gear. These new investors in the trade needed land and Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana were prime for speculation once the redskins were relocated. Europe’s thirst for cotton goods was through the roof and so followed the price of cotton. Unfortunately, like the housing bubble, Europe entered a recession and the price of cotton declined precipitously. All those investors lost their shirts and the larger cotton concerns purchased their land at bargain basement prices in one huge bailout.
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Did you ever read in American history where congress wanted to abolish slavery, which it had established, and some states wanted it to continue on so that they could be "built up to the same levels as the norther state"........Was you ever taught that, I was.....
During this process the south had become a powerful economy who challenged the north.......was you taught that, I was....
The slave owners were the aristocracy and elitists of the south. They tried to run a feudal system within the United States. The Civil War was absolutely over slavery and ending the elitists control. Read why West Virginia stood up and said no to that aristocracy.

Fast forward to today. Democrat party
We need illegal aliens to do the work American will not.
They do the same job cheaper.

Sound familiar?
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Did you ever read in American history where congress wanted to abolish slavery, which it had established, and some states wanted it to continue on so that they could be "built up to the same levels as the norther state"........Was you ever taught that, I was.....
During this process the south had become a powerful economy who challenged the north.......was you taught that, I was....
You are uninformed. Where do you think all that cotton ended up after it was harvested ? The cotton ended up in the northern textile mills. They too were getting rich off of slave labor and did not want to see that gravy train end.

Another little known tidbit. To facilitate the financing of the purchase of slaves, a worldwide market was created. Investors in England and Europe invested in slave shares. The slaves themselves were the collateral. This is how money was available in the states to purchase slaves. Those investors expected to be repaid at a profit. Those who think that the Civil Was was not about slavery are merely displaying their willfully ignorant knowledge of American history.
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The civil war was not about slavery, it was about the powers in the northeast not liking the political/monetary power being built in the south, partly because of slavery...The sea going Mississippi river was a challenge against the sea ports of the northeast...., feeding the mid west....
"Partly" my ass.
You are clueless the Northeast has access to the Mississippi river by way of the Erie Canal completed 35 years BEFORE the Civil War started.
And guess what? In the days prior to even the smallest shipper having steam powered ships it was a lot easier and faster to ship downstream than it was upstream.
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You see camel must tow the lines he has been fed. He cannot think critically about a topic. He sees a subject and he defaults to whatever the latest response he has been fed regardless if it fits into the conversation or not.usually he will realize later how silly he sounds and just start to insult people or start to babble about trump/russia. It is really adorable.
Blah-Blah-Blah-Blah... your idiotic posts amount to little more than a small boy trying to see how many time he can slip the word "cameltoe" into a fucking post. Partisan bullshit for the most part, mixed with childish attempts at insult.

Dismissed as such.
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"Partly" my ass.
You are clueless the Northeast has access to the Mississippi river by way of the Erie Canal completed 35 years BEFORE the Civil War started.
And guess what? In the days prior to even the smallest shipper having steam powered ships it was a lot easier and faster to ship downstream than it was upstream.
The Erie Canal does not connect to the Mississippi River, It connected the Great lakes to the Hudson River, giving access for products to reach NY harbor.

Believe me the Mississippi does not flow through ANY PART of the State of NY.

this allowed imports from Canada and travel to and from Upstate NY and to Ohio to be easier.


So, your premise about the Causes of the Civil War is incorrect.

(Slavery was an issue) but the Real Issue was Taxation

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