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Old March 26th, 2018, 11:03 AM   #31
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You are uninformed. Where do you think all that cotton ended up after it was harvested ? The cotton ended up in the northern textile mills. They too were getting rich off of slave labor and did not want to see that gravy train end.

Another little known tidbit. To facilitate the financing of the purchase of slaves, a worldwide market was created. Investors in England and Europe invested in slave shares. The slaves themselves were the collateral. This is how money was available in the states to purchase slaves. Those investors expected to be repaid at a profit. Those who think that the Civil Was was not about slavery are merely displaying their willfully ignorant knowledge of American history.
Of course it was about slavery. But first and foremost it was about states rights. When South Carolina seceded, they reclaimed their right as a Nation. The Civil War, in and of itself did not end slavery. It took a Constitutional Amendment (13th Amendment) to do that. Maybe you should check your ignorance on the subject.
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Old March 26th, 2018, 11:09 AM   #32
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I have never understood the motivation of right wingers who try to separate slavery from the Civil War ? Could it be subconscious racism ?
Or, is that all in your own mind? No one is separating slavery from the civil war.
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Old March 26th, 2018, 12:51 PM   #33
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Or, is that all in your own mind? No one is separating slavery from the civil war.
He said "try to..."
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Old March 26th, 2018, 12:53 PM   #34
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Of course it was about slavery. But first and foremost it was about states rights. When South Carolina seceded, they reclaimed their right as a Nation. The Civil War, in and of itself did not end slavery. It took a Constitutional Amendment (13th Amendment) to do that. Maybe you should check your ignorance on the subject.
Yeah, the "states right" to keep and expand slavery.
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Old March 26th, 2018, 12:56 PM   #35
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LOL...I'm waiting for you to quote that post of mine kid. ...
Why don't I see it?

Oh yeah, that's right. You're lying out your ass as such a comment does not fucking exist!
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Old March 26th, 2018, 11:17 PM   #36
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Just like the housing bubble in the first decade of this century, when the middle class in ther South figured out how lucrative cotton crops had become, they borrowed all they could to get in on the act themselves. Even the southern states started loaning money to small cotton farmers to buy land and slaves. It was at this time that the large relocation of the Indian population kicked into high gear. These new investors in the trade needed land and Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana were prime for speculation once the redskins were relocated. Europe’s thirst for cotton goods was through the roof and so followed the price of cotton. Unfortunately, like the housing bubble, Europe entered a recession and the price of cotton declined precipitously. All those investors lost their shirts and the larger cotton concerns purchased their land at bargain basement prices in one huge bailout.
In "The Half Has Never Been Told" https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HXM0R9Q...ng=UTF8&btkr=1 a book that focuses on the economic factors behind slavery and its economic effects by historian Edward Baptiste - he points out that those boom and bust cycles in the cotton industry were fueled by the high capital costs of purchasing slaves. The new owners of those slaves had to keep finding ways to work their slaves harder and longer to produce more and more cotton to pay off that debt.

There was so much money tied up in slave-produced cotton and other commodities at that time, it's totally ludicrous and disingenuous for people to talk about the subject without mentioning the strong economic incentives to maintaining the systems of slavery and expanding them as much as possible. That's what really burned me about that story on the Mises website. There's a reason why they made this one of the few if not only subjects where they don't talk about money!
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In "The Half Has Never Been Told" https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HXM0R9Q...ng=UTF8&btkr=1 a book that focuses on the economic factors behind slavery and its economic effects by historian Edward Baptiste - he points out that those boom and bust cycles in the cotton industry were fueled by the high capital costs of purchasing slaves. The new owners of those slaves had to keep finding ways to work their slaves harder and longer to produce more and more cotton to pay off that debt.

There was so much money tied up in slave-produced cotton and other commodities at that time, it's totally ludicrous and disingenuous for people to talk about the subject without mentioning the strong economic incentives to maintaining the systems of slavery and expanding them as much as possible. That's what really burned me about that story on the Mises website. There's a reason why they made this one of the few if not only subjects where they don't talk about money!
My post was the result of Baptiste’s book that I thoroughly enjoyed reading. Best book on slavery I have ever read. Roosevelt not only created jobs in infrastructure to stimulate the economy. A program for writers also existed. Baptiste was able to use the work of such a writer fron the Roosevelt stimulus days. A person who was 15 at the time of emancipation would have been in his/her early 80’s during the Roosevelt presidency. A writer used that government program to interview many living former slaves. Baptiste borrowed from that work. An exceptional book.
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The truth is that both secession and slavery were inextricably linked. Slavery led to secession, which led to the Civil War.

If you are still unconvinced, read the Articles of Secession. Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina and Texas ALL referenced slavery has one of their grievances. So, in the words of the leaders of secession: Slavery IS mentioned.
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My post was the result of Baptiste’s book that I thoroughly enjoyed reading. Best book on slavery I have ever read. Roosevelt not only created jobs in infrastructure to stimulate the economy. A program for writers also existed. Baptiste was able to use the work of such a writer fron the Roosevelt stimulus days. A person who was 15 at the time of emancipation would have been in his/her early 80’s during the Roosevelt presidency. A writer used that government program to interview many living former slaves. Baptiste borrowed from that work. An exceptional book.
But, the real strength of his book is not the testimonials, it's in the numbers that he had to laboriously crunch...especially the log books and accounting records from the pre-Civil War era, that were in archives and allowed for a factual analysis that determines how profitable slave labor was. The profitability of slavery has been downplayed since the Civil War ended, because both sides had reasons to minimize the income and wealth generated afterwards. The records clearly show that most plantations in slave states kept increasing the amounts of cotton produced year by year, until the outbreak of the War.

I like non-fiction books that explain the gaps that are missing in the other books on any given subject. Just about everything written on American history during the era of slavery- through the Civil War-and the aftermath, just skates over the surface and tells about the politics...what was said and done and the battles etc. of the Civil War.
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Old March 27th, 2018, 09:33 AM   #40
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The truth is that both secession and slavery were inextricably linked. Slavery led to secession, which led to the Civil War.

If you are still unconvinced, read the Articles of Secession. Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina and Texas ALL referenced slavery has one of their grievances. So, in the words of the leaders of secession: Slavery IS mentioned.
Of course they are linked. But the simplistic view that many are taught in schools, especially northern public schools where Lincoln was the great emancipator who went to war w/ the wretched south to free the slaves is absolutely wrong.
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