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Old March 25th, 2018, 08:48 AM   #1
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The Lies and Hypocrisy of the Civil War

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The most popular lie is the one that says that Abraham Lincoln waged the war to free the slaves. Thatís just a plain lie. Ending slavery was the result at the end of the war but it was clearly not Lincolnís goal at the beginning of the war.

Lincoln had one reason and one reason alone for initiating war against the Confederacy: to keep the nation intact by suppressing the Southís secession. That was it. That was Lincolnís sole aim. Prior to the war, he had made it clear that slavery was legal under the U.S. Constitution. Thus, he believed, the only way to end it legally would have been by constitutional amendment.

Indeed, further proof of Lincolnís aim is seen in his Emancipation Proclamation, which freed slaves only in certain areas. If he were waging the war to end slavery, wouldnít he have proclaimed the freedom of all slaves, not just some of them?

Letís assume that there was no slavery in the South and that the South had seceded for some other reason, say, tariffs, or simply because Southerners had decided that they no longer wanted to associate with the North. Even without slavery, there is no doubt that Lincoln would have initiated the war to prevent the South from seceding.

What if the Confederate States seceded today and declared their independence? Does anyone doubt that federal forces would be sent into the South again to suppress the secession? Obviously, their aim would not be to end slavery but to keep the nation intact, the same aim that Lincoln had when he ordered federal forces to invade the South.



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So why the lie? Why not teach American children the truth — that the Civil War was waged to prevent secession and that ending slavery was simply a byproduct of the war?

I suggest that the reason for the lie is that proponents of the Civil War know that suppressing secession might not be considered by many to be a noble cause for a war that killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of people and destroyed half the country, not to mention that it damaged the freedom and democratic processes of the country.

Not so with ending slavery. That’s something noble. That’s something that many people would say was worth the tremendous sacrifices in life, limb, freedom, and prosperity.

Thus, the lie comes into existence: The Civil War was waged to end slavery, it is said, which is a noble cause, one worth sacrificing the lives of hundreds of thousands of people and the destruction of half the country.


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Old March 25th, 2018, 09:27 AM   #3
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Nope, Lincoln believed from day one that admitting new non-slave states in the west would eventually see slavery wither on the vine. Pro-slavery Confederates would simply not accept new western states being admitted as non-slave states because they also knew what that would mean. Your source needs a history lesson or two........LOL
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The civil war was not about slavery, it was about the powers in the northeast not liking the political/monetary power being built in the south, partly because of slavery...The sea going Mississippi river was a challenge against the sea ports of the northeast...., feeding the mid west....
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The civil war was not about slavery, it was about the powers in the northeast not liking the political/monetary power being built in the south, partly because of slavery...The sea going Mississippi river was a challenge against the sea ports of the northeast...., feeding the mid west....
Nope, it was about the continuation of cheap labor through slavery. First and foremost.
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Old March 25th, 2018, 10:05 AM   #6
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The civil war was not about slavery, it was about the powers in the northeast not liking the political/monetary power being built in the south, partly because of slavery...The sea going Mississippi river was a challenge against the sea ports of the northeast...., feeding the mid west....
You see camel must tow the lines he has been fed. He cannot think critically about a topic. He sees a subject and he defaults to whatever the latest response he has been fed regardless if it fits into the conversation or not.usually he will realize later how silly he sounds and just start to insult people or start to babble about trump/russia. It is really adorable.
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Old March 25th, 2018, 10:16 AM   #7
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How do these fucking corporate propagandists expect anyone to believe their bullshit today when they write up one of the very few articles on their site that mentions nothing about the economic facts behind the slavery industry?

We've been over this many times before...the Confederates had bigger dreams than "state sovereignty"! They were scoping out the viability of re-establishing slavery in Mexico, along with setting up slave colonies in Central America and Brazil. So, they had dreams of creating and building an empire based on slave labor, and everyone in learned circles in America at the time, who were aware of these operations knew that a free Confederate States of America would grow geographically and economically to the point where it would completely overwhelm the North. And if they couldn't re-establish slavery in the rest of the nation, a bankrupted Northern Union would have had no resources to expand west, and would have been shut out as a major trading partner of England and France, who were as dependent on cheap cotton from the south as the mills of New York were at the time of the leadup before the War began!

The Confederate states were wealthier than the North at the outbreak of the Civil War, BUT most of that wealth consisted of human capital - slaves! And once the Civil War was over and the South lost, they didn't have a pot to piss in because the end of slavery erased all their human capital wealth off the books, and they couldn't pay their war debts with their confederate money! Amazing that the libertarian apologists for the oligarchy aren't aware of this!
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Nope, it was about the continuation of cheap labor through slavery. First and foremost.

Post me a fact to support that......
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Post me a fact to support that......
I just want to say: you ain't my brother!
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While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War, Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries."
clearly it was about the secession based on the fracture of the slave vs. non-slave points of view

more basic Civil War info:
https://www.civilwar.org/learn/articles/civil-war-facts
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