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Old April 11th, 2018, 12:58 PM   #21
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The only potus that over the last decade that has stood buy and allowed the burning of US Cities was Obama Ferguson, and Baltimore come to mind.
What a stupid thing for you to say. God, but you people are drama queens.
I'm from St. Louis, MO. Ferguson,Mo. is maybe 10 miles from the house I owned in St. Louis. I assure you the city did not "burn down", there was limited damage in a block or so.
You simply don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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This is funny ,I asked a question about who gassed the people in Syria, looking for a response ,then stood back for a while to watch the show and the hate party starts talking about Obama. Everyone of these clowns is a wingnut. Very entertaining.
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Old April 15th, 2018, 04:23 PM   #24
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Sure. He "respected the constitution" by circumnavigating it w/ hundrids of EOs.

SMH
Executive orders by presidents:

42 Bill Clinton #12834–13197 (363)--8 years in office
43 George W. Bush #13198–13488 (290)---8 years
44 Barack Obama #13489–13764 (275)---8 years
45 Donald Trump #13765-13827 (62)--1 year. So in 8 years, Trump (if he continues his pattern) will achieve 496.


So....continue--about circumventing the constitution, Sabcat. Your statement is fascinating.
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Old April 15th, 2018, 04:37 PM   #25
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Our United Nations Ambassador, Nikki Haley, says Bashar al Assad used chemical weapons against his own people:

“Assad knew that Russia had its back, Assad knew that Russia would cover for them at the United Nations, and Assad got reckless, and he used it in a way that was far more aggressive,” she said. “We have to be conscious of the fact that we can’t allow even the smallest use of chemical weapons.”

“We of course know that our work in Syria is not done,” she said. “We know that it is now up to Bashar al-Assad on whether he’s going to use chemical weapons again. And should he use it again, the president has made it very clear that the United States is locked and loaded and ready to go.”

The question is this: Do you believe our own ambassador or not?
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Our United Nations Ambassador, Nikki Haley, says Bashar al Assad used chemical weapons against his own people:

“Assad knew that Russia had its back, Assad knew that Russia would cover for them at the United Nations, and Assad got reckless, and he used it in a way that was far more aggressive,” she said. “We have to be conscious of the fact that we can’t allow even the smallest use of chemical weapons.”

“We of course know that our work in Syria is not done,” she said. “We know that it is now up to Bashar al-Assad on whether he’s going to use chemical weapons again. And should he use it again, the president has made it very clear that the United States is locked and loaded and ready to go.”

The question is this: Do you believe our own ambassador or not?
Well, Putin et al says it was really the UK that did it in a false flag operation.

Has he ever lied to Sabcat before?
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Our United Nations Ambassador, Nikki Haley, says Bashar al Assad used chemical weapons against his own people:

“Assad knew that Russia had its back, Assad knew that Russia would cover for them at the United Nations, and Assad got reckless, and he used it in a way that was far more aggressive,” she said. “We have to be conscious of the fact that we can’t allow even the smallest use of chemical weapons.”

“We of course know that our work in Syria is not done,” she said. “We know that it is now up to Bashar al-Assad on whether he’s going to use chemical weapons again. And should he use it again, the president has made it very clear that the United States is locked and loaded and ready to go.”

The question is this: Do you believe our own ambassador or not?
No. I believe that she believes it is the truth, just like every person thought Saddam had nukes and other WMD's, and that Osama bin-Laden was in Afghanistan. Ambassadors are their agendas, they do not create their own nor do they unfettered powers to investigate. They are fed whatever information the Administration gives them.

She is an Ambassador, and an Ambassador's job is to parrot the policy of the Administration. While I believe she makes a good Ambassador, I consider any Ambassador nothing more than a public mouthpiece of the Administration that he or she serves. Each an every one of them serve the Administration and not the People.
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No. I believe that she believes it is the truth, just like every person thought Saddam had nukes and other WMD's, and that Osama bin-Laden was in Afghanistan. Ambassadors are their agendas, they do not create their own nor do they unfettered powers to investigate. They are fed whatever information the Administration gives them.

She is an Ambassador, and an Ambassador's job is to parrot the policy of the Administration. While I believe she makes a good Ambassador, I consider any Ambassador nothing more than a public mouthpiece of the Administration that he or she serves. Each an every one of them serve the Administration and not the People.
So, you are saying that you think President Pee Pee DuPree is lying ?
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So, you are saying that you think President Pee Pee DuPree is lying ?
Calling people names really does not advance your argument. It only makes you look exactly like what you hate, a boorish blowhard like Trump.

Trump most likely is not lying as he did want to disengage from Syria and made announcement of looking into withdrawal. I believe he is drawing the wrong conclusion from all the available information and advice that he access to and may have been pressured to make a rash decision.

It is just like Bush 43. Every freaking intel agency and politician in the world at the time including Saddam's own thought Iraq had a ongoing nuclear program, including Hillary and Obama that voted for war. ALL the debriefed Iraqi Generals genuinely thought Saddam had nukes, that was why they were so confident.

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Calling people names really does not advance your argument. It only makes you look exactly like what you hate, a boorish blowhard like Trump.

Trump most likely is not lying as he did want to disengage from Syria and made announcement of looking into withdrawal. I believe he is drawing the wrong conclusion from all the available information and advice that he access to and may have been pressured to make a rash decision.

It is just like Bush 43. Every freaking intel agency and politician in the world at the time including Saddam's own thought Iraq had a ongoing nuclear program, including Hillary and Obama that voted for war. ALL the debriefed Iraqi Generals genuinely thought Saddam had nukes, that was why they were so confident.
No sir it's not just like Bush 43 and the Iraq War. You were fooled. Many were fooled, but to say every freaking intel agency and politician in the world at the time including Saddam's own thought Iraq had a ongoing nuclear program.

No they didn't. The opposition to the war was significant and wide-ranging.

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Several prominent members of the military and national security communities, particularly those who favor a more realist approach to international relations, have been critical of both the decision to invade Iraq and the prosecution of the War.

On July 28, 2002, less than eight months before the invasion of Iraq, the Washington Post reported that "many senior U.S. military officers" including members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff opposed an invasion on the grounds that the policy of containment was working.

A few days later, Gen. Joseph P. Hoar (Ret.) warned the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the invasion was risky and perhaps unnecessary.
Morton Halperin, a foreign policy expert with the Council on Foreign Relations and Center for American Progress warned that an invasion would increase the terrorist threat.

In a 2002 book, Scott Ritter, a Nuclear Weapons Inspector in Iraq from 1991–98, argued against an invasion and expressed doubts about the Bush Administration's claims that Saddam Hussein had a WMD capability. He later accused the Bush administration of deliberately misleading the public.
I think [The Bush Administration] has stated that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and that's as simple as they want to keep it. They don't want to get into the nitty-gritty things such as if you bury a Scud missile to hide it from detection, there is a little thing called corrosion. Where do you hide the fuel, how do you make this stuff up, how do you align it. Because when you disassemble it, there is a process called re-alignment. There is a factory involved in that. And then you have to test launch it to make sure that the alignment works, and that's detectable, and they haven't done that. There is a lot of common sense things that go into consideration of whether or not Iraq has a operational weapons of mass destruction capability.
Brent Scowcroft, who served as National Security Adviser to President George H.W. Bush was an early critic. He wrote an August 15, 2002 editorial in The Wall Street Journal entitled "Don't attack Saddam," arguing that the war would distract from the broader fight against terrorism and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, which should be the U.S.'s highest priority in the Middle East. The next month, Gen. Hugh Shelton, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, agreed that war in Iraq would distract from the War on Terrorism.

Retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former head of Central Command for U.S. forces in the Middle East and State Department's envoy to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, echoed many of Scowcroft's concerns in an October 2002 speech at the Middle East Institute. In a follow-up interview with Salon, Zinni said he was "not convinced we need to do this now," arguing that deposing Saddam Hussein was only the sixth or seventh top priority in the Middle East, behind the Middle East peace process, reforming Iran, our commitments in Afghanistan, and several others.

By January 19, 2003, Time magazine reported that "as many as 1 in 3 senior officers questions the wisdom of a preemptive war with Iraq."

On February 13, 2003 Ambassador Joseph Wilson, former chargé d'affaires in Baghdad, resigned from the Foreign Service and publicly questioned the need for another war in Iraq. After the War started, he wrote an editorial in the New York Times titled What I Didn't Find in Africa that claimed to discredit a Bush Administration claim that Iraq had attempted to procure uranium from Niger.

John Brady Kiesling, another career diplomat with similar reservations, resigned in a public letter in the New York Times on February 27. He was followed on March 10 by John H. Brown, a career diplomat with 22 years of service, and on March 19 by Mary Ann Wright, a diplomat with 15 years of service in the State Department following a military career of 29 years. The war started the next day.
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