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Old April 23rd, 2018, 06:36 PM   #91
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Wait. You are saying that the american leftists do not consider Muslims a protected class? Have adopted the term islomophobia? When a muslim blows themselves up, drives a truck of peace into a crowd or kills a bunch of people in some other way yelling "Allahu Akbar" do they not conveniently leave their religion out of the story? And when the religion comes out do we not hear #notallmuslims?

Is this what you are saying?
If all of that is true, how is that “protecting” Muslims?

When a Christian does something horrible aren’t all the Christians quick to point out that not ALL Christians feel that way?
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Old April 23rd, 2018, 06:48 PM   #92
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If all of that is true, how is that “protecting” Muslims?

When a Christian does something horrible aren’t all the Christians quick to point out that not ALL Christians feel that way?
When was the last time a Christian committed mass murder in the name of jesus?

Are there laws being placed to protect christians?

Is attacking a Christian considered a hate crime?

All of this energy is being expended to attack the fundie menace yet we are importing tens of thousands of people whos views are by far more anti humanitarian every year. Who is in support of this? Leftists.

Seems kinda counterproductive
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Yet Linda Sarsour led the womas march as hundreds if not thousands of men and women put on US flag hajabs is solidarity. Female circumcision is on the rise here. We are literally importing tens of thousands of people who have no desire to assimilate and their religion who openly state that they would prefer sharia law. To openly point these things out one is called racist as that is the MO of todays leftists even though Islam is a religion not a race.

Look at Europe. This is the fate that the leftists wish for us. No thank you.


I don't wish for any religious discrimination. I ask for intellectual honesty. Islam is by far more "fundamentalist" than the christians. They have entire nations that make the phelps look like girl scouts yet they are one of the lefts protected classes as they openly attack Christians for the same if not worse things and ideals of Islam.
OK there are a little over a million Muslims here. MOST of them are here to escape the very kind of fundamentalist oppression of which you speak. Are there some that shouldn't be here ?? Absolutely and when they commit crimes, like female circumcision, they should be jailed then deported. End of story. I do NOT consider them a protected class.

However. There are 150 MILLION people here that "call" them selves Christian. 25 or so million of them call themselves Evangelicals. They are the most fundamental of the fundamentals. It is MY PERSONAL belief that this group, or at least a sizable portion, if not outright majority of them, if they could circumvent the First Amendment, WOULD NOT HESITATE TO INSTITUTE the very kind of extremist laws which you have noted in the Islamic nations. The Phelps may publicly be the most extreme, but my experience is that there are LOTS of people out there that think the same way. They WOULD, in a heart beat institute draconian penalties for gays, single moms, and any one else they thought insufficiently Godly. They WOULD in a matter of years turn, or try to turn this country into a Christian version of the middle east theocracies. And like the poor and oppressed in the Muslim countries the poor and even average people here would support it all until it was too late. They'd wake up one morning realizing they had given away every freedom they ever had and there would be little or nothing they could do about it, because THEY LET IT HAPPEN.

I don't give a fuck about the Muslims here. IF they break the law, put em in prison then send them home. IF they even THINK they gonna start some shit, there are a whole fucking bunch of men and women with all sorts of guns that would quickly answer their challenge. Same goes for anybody wanting to incite a race war for that matter.

But the evangelicals getting organized, financed and ARMED, scares the ever loving shit outa me !!! THAT sir is WHY I am SOOOO adamantly opposed to any move they try to make. Opposed to ANY law they try to sneak past the constitution. Deaf to their complaints when they get their asses handed to them by the courts for trying. They can piss bitch and moan about "activists judges" until the cows come home. If you're even half as intelligent as you seem, you know as well as I do, it will not stop with outlawing abortion and repealing gay rights.
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Old April 23rd, 2018, 06:54 PM   #94
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What Ever Happened to the New Atheists?
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July 28, 2017 8:00 AM

Organized religion’s shallowest critics made the mistake of blasting Islam along with Christianity, and the Left crucified them for it.

On Friday, it became official: The New Atheists are no longer welcome on the left. Battered, condemned, and disinvited, these godless and once-favored “public intellectuals” are now homeless, spurned by their erstwhile progressive allies.
Richard Dawkins, the famously skeptical evolutionary biologist, was the last shoe to drop. He was disinvited from a speaking engagement at Berkeley because his “comments about Islam” had “offended and hurt . . . so many people,” according to the event’s organizers.

Dawkins is in good company. His New Atheist compatriots, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris, had already been expelled from the party. In both cases, insufficient deference to Islam was the proximate cause. Hitchens remained a committed socialist, but felt a war on Islamic terror and autocracy was needed. For this, he was denounced as a “neocon.” Harris is a liberal, straight and true, but drew the ire of Reza Aslan for refusing to except Islam from his broad critique of religion. “Islam is not a religion of peace,” Harris often says. In fact, he thinks it’s just the opposite. For that, everyone from Glen Greenwald to Ben Affleck has cast him as an Islamophobe and a bigot.

That means that three of the much-acclaimed “Four Horsemen” of New Atheism have been turfed from the left for extending their critique of religion to Islam. The fourth is Daniel Dennett, who also criticizes Islam. The only actual philosopher of the bunch, he is far too boring and ponderous to be noticed, let alone denounced, by anyone. In his place, one can add Bill Maher, a popularizer of New Atheism who has also been barred from Berkeley over criticism of Islam. One by one, these men have been excommunicated from the Left.

What has happened? Why did the Left delight in seeing these men ignorantly mock and vilify Christians, but denounce them when they treated Islam the exact same way?------------------

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/...ized-religion/
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OK there are a little over a million Muslims here. MOST of them are here to escape the very kind of fundamentalist oppression of which you speak. Are there some that shouldn't be here ?? Absolutely and when they commit crimes, like female circumcision, they should be jailed then deported. End of story. I do NOT consider them a protected class.

However. There are 150 MILLION people here that "call" them selves Christian. 25 or so million of them call themselves Evangelicals. They are the most fundamental of the fundamentals. It is MY PERSONAL belief that this group, or at least a sizable portion, if not outright majority of them, if they could circumvent the First Amendment, WOULD NOT HESITATE TO INSTITUTE the very kind of extremist laws which you have noted in the Islamic nations. The Phelps may publicly be the most extreme, but my experience is that there are LOTS of people out there that think the same way. They WOULD, in a heart beat institute draconian penalties for gays, single moms, and any one else they thought insufficiently Godly. They WOULD in a matter of years turn, or try to turn this country into a Christian version of the middle east theocracies. And like the poor and oppressed in the Muslim countries the poor and even average people here would support it all until it was too late. They'd wake up one morning realizing they had given away every freedom they ever had and there would be little or nothing they could do about it, because THEY LET IT HAPPEN.

I don't give a fuck about the Muslims here. IF they break the law, put em in prison then send them home. IF they even THINK they gonna start some shit, there are a whole fucking bunch of men and women with all sorts of guns that would quickly answer their challenge. Same goes for anybody wanting to incite a race war for that matter.

But the evangelicals getting organized, financed and ARMED, scares the ever loving shit outa me !!! THAT sir is WHY I am SOOOO adamantly opposed to any move they try to make. Opposed to ANY law they try to sneak past the constitution. Deaf to their complaints when they get their asses handed to them by the courts for trying. They can piss bitch and moan about "activists judges" until the cows come home. If you're even half as intelligent as you seem, you know as well as I do, it will not stop with outlawing abortion and repealing gay rights.


I do not dissagree w/ the threat the religious right poses to liberty though IMO in this time, right now the radical left far out weighs them and w/ the radical left you get sharia muslims
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I will remember that the next time someone rams a truck of peace into a crowd
What in the fuck is WRONG with you?
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Since Braveheart specifically mentioned gays and that was the post you were responding to, I just assumed you were including laws against gays. Are you saying Braveheart was wrong and Christians are pushing for anti gay laws?

The Supreme Court decision that struck down laws against abortion used the dividing line of “viability” (20 weeks) and I have no problem with that. Assume if I am talking about laws that restrict choice I am talking about laws that restrict abortions prior to 20 weeks.
Define restrict? You mean the laws that make it impossible for abortion on demand? Sorry as a second amendment advocate I really have a hard time feeling sorry for them on that. I have one of the bill of rights on my side, yet I have to hoop jump as a law abiding citizen. Abortion is a supreme court ruling. Fuck em if they have to jump through hoops. Could care less
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What Ever Happened to the New Atheists?
By ELLIOT KAUFMAN
July 28, 2017 8:00 AM

Organized religion’s shallowest critics made the mistake of blasting Islam along with Christianity, and the Left crucified them for it.

On Friday, it became official: The New Atheists are no longer welcome on the left. Battered, condemned, and disinvited, these godless and once-favored “public intellectuals” are now homeless, spurned by their erstwhile progressive allies.
Richard Dawkins, the famously skeptical evolutionary biologist, was the last shoe to drop. He was disinvited from a speaking engagement at Berkeley because his “comments about Islam” had “offended and hurt . . . so many people,” according to the event’s organizers.

Dawkins is in good company. His New Atheist compatriots, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris, had already been expelled from the party. In both cases, insufficient deference to Islam was the proximate cause. Hitchens remained a committed socialist, but felt a war on Islamic terror and autocracy was needed. For this, he was denounced as a “neocon.” Harris is a liberal, straight and true, but drew the ire of Reza Aslan for refusing to except Islam from his broad critique of religion. “Islam is not a religion of peace,” Harris often says. In fact, he thinks it’s just the opposite. For that, everyone from Glen Greenwald to Ben Affleck has cast him as an Islamophobe and a bigot.

That means that three of the much-acclaimed “Four Horsemen” of New Atheism have been turfed from the left for extending their critique of religion to Islam. The fourth is Daniel Dennett, who also criticizes Islam. The only actual philosopher of the bunch, he is far too boring and ponderous to be noticed, let alone denounced, by anyone. In his place, one can add Bill Maher, a popularizer of New Atheism who has also been barred from Berkeley over criticism of Islam. One by one, these men have been excommunicated from the Left.

What has happened? Why did the Left delight in seeing these men ignorantly mock and vilify Christians, but denounce them when they treated Islam the exact same way?------------------

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/...ized-religion/

That is because they are intellectually honest. Unlike the pseudo intellectuals that plague the left.
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Old April 24th, 2018, 01:36 AM   #99
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I will remember that the next time someone rams a truck of peace into a crowd
yeah, so you did see the part where i said i dont like extremists of any stripe.

go ahead and remind me, and i will agree with you that any asshole who kills innocent people is a piece of shit.

you dont even have a leg to stand on here, because your ludicrous OP is from the land of make believe.......
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What in the fuck is WRONG with you?
drunk?
delusional?
bipolar depression?
bipolar enthusiasm?
neurotic insecurity?
lack of empathy?
lack of civility in upbringing?

there are any number of things that could be wrong with him.

all of them unpleasant - as he is.
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