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Old April 29th, 2018, 09:34 AM   #21
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LOL, yeah OK. So limiting the amount of time a career politician can hold office is akin to multiple elections? How does that work?
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Old April 29th, 2018, 05:14 PM   #22
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I will say again, that term limits would be a partial fix to a major problem with our electoral system. Another would be longer terms but that has its own built in problem.

The big problem is that your Congress has only 2 years to convince the populous that they should be re-elected so they fear doing things that would be good in the long term but might hurt in the short term. And when you have candidates who are more than willing to "shade the truth" about what the incumbent has done and emphasis the short term pain but not talk about the long term gain. So they don't do those necessary things in order to get re-elected.

I'm not criticising the FFs. Just like giving the President absolute pardoning power, they assumed only moral gentlemen would seek public office. And they thought someone would sacrifice his farm for a couple of years, do his public duty and then get back to running his farm. The concept of professional politician was unthinkable to them.

Plus to their minds, with the turnover they envisioned, four year terms but a two year cycle would keep some experience in Congress.

It did not work out that way.

Term limits are a better choice but still wouldn't help with the current two year election cycle combined with the power of political parties.
Always on the lookout for unforeseen consequences, the problem with term limits is that you would never have that independent voice of the 10 term guy who can't be primaried, and may pull the occasional John McCain save ObamaCare move.

And that last term when the person can't run for re-election and is supposed to be a maverick, the guy is young and if he wants a political future, the party has to move him to another race, or get him an appointment.

It seems like term limits make the party stronger.
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Old April 29th, 2018, 05:51 PM   #23
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I will say again, that term limits would be a partial fix to a major problem with our electoral system. Another would be longer terms but that has its own built in problem.

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Old April 30th, 2018, 01:46 AM   #24
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ummmmm, RNG cant make suggestions as to how the Canadian system could be better? you did read beyond that first line, right? because if you did, you would clearly see when he switched gears to talking about the US...........
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Old April 30th, 2018, 02:39 AM   #25
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How can anyone trust a system which makes it perfectly legal for rich individuals and companies to buy influence with US lawmakers.
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Old April 30th, 2018, 03:00 AM   #26
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How can anyone trust a system which makes it perfectly legal for rich individuals and companies to buy influence with US lawmakers.
You have to remember that while Europeans buy things, Americans are sold things.
It's not a matter of Americans thinking about what is best, it's a matter of them being sold a political agenda, and slogans sell better than ideas.

The idea that the wealthy have co-opted the system might be something that would get traction in Europe, but it requires critical thinking and the linking of a number of information points, here "Make America Great Again" is about as much as the voter can digest.
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Old April 30th, 2018, 07:55 AM   #27
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A successful politician feeds Pork to his constituents.
Which is why we need term limits so we can get rid of successful politicians and get back to leaders who want to make decisions based on merit instead of the whims of the ignorant masses and those who pay them for their vote.
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The professor I listened to last night, mentioned the Military Industrial Complex of Germany. We know of it as the New World Order, because that is what Hitler called it and the Bush family likes to call the Military Industrial Complex of the US, the New World Order. What we are not understanding is they both are the same thing, and this is what we defended our democracy against in two world wars.

I don't know if Americans will ever get what hypocrites our forefathers were in giving us a half-assed democracy instead of a strong democracy. That slavery issue was more important than our history books tell us. Will the people ever realize the autocratic model of industries is opposed to democracy, and unless we use the democratic of industry, our democracy will never be strong?

Will people ever think it is important that the US adopted the German model of education and the German model of bureaucracy and our institutions are now the Military Industrial Complex/ New World Order on steroids?

Trump is our Hitler. Hitler did great things for Germany. Sometimes the cost of doing great things comes at a high price. Destroying what good is left of our governing system, is a high price, but this is what the citizens wanted as the Germans wanted a strong man who could get things done. We need to consider what replacing our education for democracy has to do with our reactionary politics and economics that are destroying our nation.

Look at history. When the people stop believing in the good of their government, it is the end of the civilization.

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The professor I listened to last night, mentioned the Military Industrial Complex of Germany. We know of it as the New World Order, because that is what Hitler called it and the Bush family likes to call the Military Industrial Complex of the US, the New World Order. What we are not understanding is they both are the same thing, and this is what we defended our democracy against in two world wars.

I don't know if Americans will ever get what hypocrites our forefathers were in giving us a half-assed democracy instead of a strong democracy. Will the people ever realize the autocratic model of industries is opposed to democracy, and unless we use the democratic of industry, our democracy will never be strong?

Will people ever think it is important that the US adopted the German model of education of the German model of bureaucracy and our institutions are now the Military Industrial Complex/ New World Order on steroids?

Look at history. When the people stop believing in the good of their government, it is the end of the civilization.
What you speak about, you have no idea. The "New World Order" as you put is, is not "new." It is the same cabal of expatriate Jews who have brought countless ills to the races of the world. You recognize their works, but you do not recognize themselves. This is the greatest mistake. Because you mistake them for being visible political leaders, you are easily misled by baits and traps.
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Which is why we need term limits so we can get rid of successful politicians and get back to leaders who want to make decisions based on merit instead of the whims of the ignorant masses and those who pay them for their vote.
Who is educated to be the politician you want? And without an educated public, who will vote for the right person?

Carter was right when he said we need to conserve and we allowed Reagan to undo everything Carter achieved, as we have allowed Trump to undo what Obama achieved. I don't think the masses have the education to make good decisions. A volatile, rapidly changing government is the hallmark of the end. I think it is a shame that it has become popular to think that history has nothing to offer us. What arrogance.
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