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Old May 2nd, 2018, 08:19 AM   #31
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This explains why the democrats have been attacking the other left parties, like the greens, they're afraid of the competition.
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Old May 2nd, 2018, 12:46 PM   #32
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I didn't count his first term out all, even though the recession ended in June 2009, the number would be even uglier.

All I am saying is that the economy is booming compared to anything we have seen in over ten years, even as late as Obama's last year 2016. Some folks just can't accept that fact, they are busting for Trump to fail.


NO. What you are saying is something akin to IT'S a miracle, thanks to Trump.

Obama and Trump inherited economies as different as day and night and saying the recession ended in June of 2009 is complete bollox. That's when general business activity in the U.S. reached a low point and the recovery began. The Recession technically may have been over, but in real terms, it WAS not--and it continued for some time. Recessions end (officially) when there's a general uptick in business activity. UPTICK: Small increase. SMALL. Then the real work begins.

I don't know about you but I believe something's NOT OVER until it's completely OVER. Recovered. Completely. Problems solved. Full employment. PROFITS for all. THIS is the economy that Trump inherited. ONE YEAR in office does NOT MAKE a successful president.

Every president inherits an economy from his predecessor. The groundwork is laid by the outgoing president. We KNOW what Obama inherited and if you are being HONEST then YOU KNOW what Trump inherited....a walk in the park.
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Old May 2nd, 2018, 02:13 PM   #33
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According to the Trump Team, the peace treaty has been signed, sealed and delivered, thanks to Prez Dotard.
Wow, one would think that would be rather newsworthy, wouldn't one? ...
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Old May 2nd, 2018, 03:53 PM   #34
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Please explain how the GOP is evolving, with the caveat that evolution is progress.
Did i say gop or did i say republicans?

Look at the who college republicans and who they are hosting for events. Ben shapiro, milo, Owen Benjamin, Jordan Peterson, Dave Ruben to name a few. Only one of them would be classically considered a "conservative" two are not ony gay but gay married. Two would have been called liberals just a few short years ago. The religious right is on its way out and classical liberalism is on its way in.
OK, please explain how "republicans" are evolving with the caveat that evolution is progress.

As for your celebrity list, what it affirms is "republicans" are making the line between them and progressives ever less distinct.

"Republicans" are becoming more progressive. No wonder some see that as a good thing, the "some" in this case being the people who finally see they've been and are being fleeced.

I hope that your confidence in the persuasive power of classic liberalism is warranted. You might be right. However, the Shapiros of this world aren't classical liberals unless we've arrived at the 1984 point of redefining "classical liberal."

Shapiro's lack of class alone disqualifies him as a classical liberal. I mean seriously, you'd stack him with the likes of Washington and Madison?

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this Millennial isnt going red ever........
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Old May 2nd, 2018, 05:15 PM   #36
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This explains why the democrats have been attacking the other left parties, like the greens, they're afraid of the competition.
i vote for a lot of Green candidates.
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Old May 2nd, 2018, 05:36 PM   #37
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Yes, we have the best economy we have seen in over a decade. First quarter GDP is always low, I am happy with 2.3% when economist were predicting 2.0%.

Have any idea what Obama's average first quarter GDP was for the last four years? A pitiful 0.15%, so yeah compared to that Trumps 1433% increase would be considered booming.
.015% YOU'RE A LIAR !!!!!! Just making up numbers to make your boy look good. NO BETTER than TNV !!!

SOOOOOO very sad that you are SOOOOOO disconnected from the truth.
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OK, please explain how "republicans" are evolving with the caveat that evolution is progress.

As for your celebrity list, what it affirms is "republicans" are making the line between them and progressives ever less distinct.

"Republicans" are becoming more progressive. No wonder some see that as a good thing, the "some" in this case being the people who finally see they've been and are being fleeced.

I hope that your confidence in the persuasive power of classic liberalism is warranted. You might be right. However, the Shapiros of this world aren't classical liberals unless we've arrived at the 1984 point of redefining "classical liberal."

Shapiro's lack of class alone disqualifies him as a classical liberal. I mean seriously, you'd stack him with the likes of Washington and Madison?
Ten- fifteen years ago the majority of conservatives i knew would say that there was no such thing as a fiscal conservative. You were on board w/ all of their crazy social stuff or your voice didn't matter.

That is no longer the case.


Shapiro is a conservative but he openly states that he does not want the government involved in marriage and is against the war on drugs. This is a big move forward for people who are politically right. Why would i have to stack him against anyone who we only know thru history? He believes in a limited government and the individual over the collective.

Are you familiar w/ dave Rubins work? If not i suggest you take the time. He was literally on TYT just a few years ago.

As the left becomes more and more radicalized people who just a few years ago who would have called themselves liberals find themselves being called nazis and racists. This insanity is bringing liberty minded people from all walks of life together. Right now the young republicans are capitalizing it. Will that continue? I dont know but i do not see the leftist regaining their favor. I have said this dozens of times on here but here it goes again...had you told me ten years ago i would have more in common politically w/ the religious right than people who call themselves democrats i would have called you mad. Yet here we are.

Maybe you could provide your definition of classical liberal.


Here check these out.


The left is no longer left. Dave Ruben

https://youtu.be/Tq86Beh3T70


And this one especially

Why i am still a liberal

https://youtu.be/u8QRd18-z2M
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Shapiro is a little twat.
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Old May 3rd, 2018, 04:51 AM   #40
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Shapiro is a little twat.
Wrong.

He's an arrogant, rude, classless, big ass twat who has zero ability to persuade anyone.

He's essentially a preacher making money by preaching to his choir.
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