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Old June 8th, 2018, 06:24 PM   #11
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I think I agree with what BubbaJones said in post #2; if anything, it's probably the most patriotic thing a person can do.

I do also agree with those who say that the team/league owners can do what they want as well, whether it's fine the players, fire them, or let them kneel. That's between the players and the owners/league, which is privately owned, and none of that has anything to do with being patriotic. Fans & spectators can decide what they want to do as well, watch or attend games, or don't.

To me, patriotism isn't something anyone ought to be forced to do & that's what some want with the players, for them to be forced to be patriotic.

I'm not anti-police or anti-military (I have close family who are retired from both), but I am opposed to them doing things they're not supposed to do, or being used to do things they're not supposed to be doing. If the paid career police & military are doing what they're supposed to do, and only what they're supposed to do, then I'm fine with that; in that case it's more economically efficient to delegate some of those tasks & responsibilities to paid career professionals, just like with anything else.

That doesn't mean we have to allow that, especially when they're doing things they shouldn't be doing. We should be able to simply shit can police & military, and go back to posses and militias, if We The People decide to do so. If we get invaded, I'll pick up a weapon and defend the country & I don't need a uniform, patch, rank, medal, or a paycheck to do that (not that I have anything against those things, either); it's in our interest to protect our country one way or another.

It's our tax dollars we have to pay that are being used to fund these things otherwise, and if a fellow taxpayer is dissatisfied with how his or her money is being misused, you better believe it's patriotic to say so. I would say that that's being more patriotic than being apathetic about it, because to be apathetic about such issues is to not care about the future of our country & what happens to it.

I think the same type of people making noise & obnoxious about the kneeling players being unpatriotic are the same neocon & warmonger types who say that waterboarding isn't torture, but if they sniff one drop of water up their delicate nostrils they'll panic thinking they're drowning. They're just wimps trying to act tough.

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Old June 9th, 2018, 06:44 AM   #13
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Its not about voters and what they think of kneeling during the anthem. People do not vote for NFL players or teams. Its about NFL fans and what they think. I was an NFL fan and I have not watched a game for two years. I am waiting to see how this plays out before I ever watch another game. I am not alone.
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Its not about voters and what they think of kneeling during the anthem. People do not vote for NFL players or teams. Its about NFL fans and what they think. I was an NFL fan and I have not watched a game for two years. I am waiting to see how this plays out before I ever watch another game. I am not alone.

And aren't you VERY GLAD to live in a country where YOU have that CHOICE ????
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And aren't you VERY GLAD to live in a country where YOU have that CHOICE ????
I'm protesting. I'm protesting to get the NFL to discipline their players. I do not want the players to have a choice about protesting the flag and anthem on the field. They like I can protest things on their time and not during the NFL air time. That is the choice I agree with.
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