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Old July 10th, 2018, 08:19 AM   #101
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Mueller has indicted 23 and received 5 guilty pleas so far.
Any involving collusion? The charges were many and varied but, none involved Trump. Which was the impetus for this investigation. How many crimes would be on the table had this investigation been about Hillary?
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Old July 10th, 2018, 08:21 AM   #102
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Any involving collusion? The charges were many and varied but, none involved Trump. Which was the impetus for this investigation. How many crimes would be on the table had this investigation been about Hillary?
You just donít know how investigations work. Be patient grasshopper until Mueller releases his findings.
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You just donít know how investigations work. Be patient grasshopper until Mueller releases his findings.
If Mueller's investigation proves unfruitful, should the Demorat Party pay the bill?
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Old July 12th, 2018, 05:04 AM   #104
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Mueller has indicted 23 and received 5 guilty pleas so far.
Cammy...stop it with that stupid line....Mueller has indicted nobody directly related to the invented crime of collusion....Manafort's is a tax case..Flynn has a really weak charge of lying...what exactly did he lie about ??...Then we got 13 Russian hackers who will never be brought to court....and Russian Tec Companies counter-suing... Muller got shit.... all he has is a fishing expedition..
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So Russia sold the Clinton Campaign the Dossier to HELP TRUMP

Right.
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Old July 12th, 2018, 05:07 AM   #106
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If Mueller's investigation proves unfruitful, should the Demorat Party pay the bill?
The fool Democrats already tried that....They came to the conclusion that Mueller was tip-toeing around what they thought was the holy grail for Trump's impeachment....So they sued and now that was shot down....So Sorry..
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If Mueller's investigation proves unfruitful, should the Demorat Party pay the bill?
That means that you wingnuts owe the government a hell of a lot after your 7 Benghazi failures.....keep on swinging sparky......
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The fool Democrats already tried that....They came to the conclusion that Mueller was tip-toeing around what they thought was the holy grail for Trump's impeachment....So they sued and now that was shot down....So Sorry..
These days you have to read beyond the titles and even past the opening paragraphs of story in mainstream news before you get to the real story! I just came across this example a few days ago, after I listened to a premium member episode of the Jimmy Dore Show, and Jimmy pointed out something really important in a Washington Post story that I had already read myself and glossed over....from " Manafort wants trial moved to Roanoke, says Alexandria too liberal" I'm taking this from the posting of the WaPo story in a local paper, cause I'm not paying WaPo subscription fees for their propaganda...but it's the same story:

https://www.richmond.com/news/virgin...2afd5ef3f.html

First, WaPo sets it up with this misrepresentation:
Manafort’s trial is set to begin in federal court in Alexandria on July 25. The charges relate to his work for a pro-Russian political party in the Ukraine,
That "pro-russian" party was the former Party of Regions whose main base of support was in the eastern, mostly Russian-speaking population of Ukraine. They were their core constituency...but leave it to WaPo to frame it like they were taking orders from Moscow.

and stem from the special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.


Notice they never place "alleged" in front of the endlessly repeate "Russian interference" claims! The Dem's leadership and allied media keep pretending that this is already proven and there's no need for evidence...which still has not been presented yet, let alone the Clinton would have been elected if not for Putin! It also serves a secondary purpose of masking the fact that their own government tampers with and interferes with elections and governments all over the world today, but, on we go to near the end, where they figure nobody is reading to before they drop this on us:

Also on Friday, attorneys for the special counsel made clear in a filing how they plan to link Manafort’s alleged bank fraud to the Trump campaign.

The government does not intend to present at trial evidence or argument concerning collusion with the Russian government,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Uzo Asonye writes.

However, he said prosecutors will present evidence that banker Stephen Calk helped Manafort obtain $16 million in loans because he hoped to get a position in the Trump administration.

So, WTF! If I was writing the headline, it would be that Mueller is not even going to try to prove Russian collusion at the Manafort trial! It's just the typical Washington-brand of corruption, and who the hell would have ever figured that Manafort was clean? He was a professional foreign lobbyist, and will likely go down for doing stuff that every other lobbyist in Washington could get pinched for!

So, what is the point of the Mueller Investigation again? And does it have anything to do with his original mandate?

It really has nothing to do with what I think of Trump; the main point to me is not getting taken for a ride by equally corrupt inside players....like Robert Mueller...who Democrats and their fans have turned into either Elliot Ness or some kind of knight in shining armor these days.

In a perfect world, Mueller himself would have been indicted for this lie before Congress declaring the Government had evidence for WMD's in Iraq before the leadup to an illegal war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkF6WpWAxy8

Obviously Mueller was just playing a small part in the lie, BUT that alone proves that he is just another corrupt insider hack who would sacrifice anything for personal advancement.

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You've been told repeatedly what Obama and his advisors did, but let's go back to 2000.
Who was president then?? It was then that Putin came to power and it was then that patterns of hacking began: tampering with voter rolls, fooling around with the analogues of absentee and early ballots, and manipulating the informational space around the election, so that even if the elections werenít rigged our government KNEW. Our allies knew. Dubya KNEW but at that point the Russians were "toying" with us....perfecting their art..honing their skills.

Their level of sophistication was tested, probably in the Ukraine and Europe. We know other countries were hacked....but it wasn't until 2015-16 that PUTIN knew which patsy to choose. He chose TRUMP. Don't you ever ask yourself "why Trump"?? Why not Hillary?? I think all know the answer to that.

It was in 2016 that Russia pulled out all the stops. Here. In the U.S.

Bottom line--no matter who the president is: Hacking our servers and meddling in our presidential election counts as espionage.
For all the righties who as a deflection keep shouting "what did Obama do", here's your answer.

It's behind a paywall, but a middle of the road independent says it surprised him and impressed him.

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Obamaís secret struggle to punish Russia for Putinís election assault
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For all the righties who as a deflection keep shouting "what did Obama do", here's your answer.

It's behind a paywall, but a middle of the road independent says it surprised him and impressed him.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.d2cb9bed8a8c
as if facts have a place in the nut world
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