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Old July 8th, 2018, 11:57 AM   #71
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Of course not. But, what did Obimbo do when he knew it was happening? As long as it wasn't affecting his election everything was fine. But, what did the Democrats jump on when Hillary lost? It was little to no importance before Hillary. There is now enough evidence to prove Russia was meddling. If someone wants to fault Trump on not doing enough to stop it at this point, I wouldn't disagree.


You've been told repeatedly what Obama and his advisors did, but let's go back to 2000.
Who was president then?? It was then that Putin came to power and it was then that patterns of hacking began: tampering with voter rolls, fooling around with the analogues of absentee and early ballots, and manipulating the informational space around the election, so that even if the elections weren’t rigged our government KNEW. Our allies knew. Dubya KNEW but at that point the Russians were "toying" with us....perfecting their art..honing their skills.

Their level of sophistication was tested, probably in the Ukraine and Europe. We know other countries were hacked....but it wasn't until 2015-16 that PUTIN knew which patsy to choose. He chose TRUMP. Don't you ever ask yourself "why Trump"?? Why not Hillary?? I think all know the answer to that.

It was in 2016 that Russia pulled out all the stops. Here. In the U.S.

Bottom line--no matter who the president is: Hacking our servers and meddling in our presidential election counts as espionage.
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Old July 8th, 2018, 12:07 PM   #72
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..but it wasn't until 2015-16 that PUTIN knew which patsy to choose. He chose TRUMP. Don't you ever ask yourself "why Trump"?? Why not Hillary??
Hillary??....Of course Putin was smarting from sanctions put in place under Hillary...Did he want to get even??...Probably.....Trump???....Did Putin want to deal with an arch-Capitalist??....I don't know...doesn't seem logical.....

You are all forgetting the one other horse in the race......Bernie.....If I would have to pick the one that Putin would want in Washington...I would pick Bernie....Now who hacked those DNC servers?? and why??...where did they go???
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You've been told repeatedly what Obama and his advisors did, but let's go back to 2000.
Who was president then?? It was then that Putin came to power and it was then that patterns of hacking began: tampering with voter rolls, fooling around with the analogues of absentee and early ballots, and manipulating the informational space around the election, so that even if the elections weren’t rigged our government KNEW. Our allies knew. Dubya KNEW but at that point the Russians were "toying" with us....perfecting their art..honing their skills.

Their level of sophistication was tested, probably in the Ukraine and Europe. We know other countries were hacked....but it wasn't until 2015-16 that PUTIN knew which patsy to choose. He chose TRUMP. Don't you ever ask yourself "why Trump"?? Why not Hillary?? I think all know the answer to that.

It was in 2016 that Russia pulled out all the stops. Here. In the U.S.

Bottom line--no matter who the president is: Hacking our servers and meddling in our presidential election counts as espionage.
Hell, you can take Russian meddling even farther back than Bush. Truth is, these presidents did little to nothing to stop it as long as it wasn't hurting their chances of winning office. Where was the MSM then? Hillary's loss so but-hurt the Liberals that they needed a meme to hang that loss on. And who better to run with it than the Liberal MSM? I agree, Russian meddling should be treated as espionage. And I also point the finger at all the presidents, including Congress, for not addressing this problem head on. So far, that includes Trump. Hopefully, in the near future Trump will take appropriate action. Our voting process is sacrosanct. Any attempt, by anyone, to infringe on our voting process should be swiftly, criminally charged.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh??????????????......Explain that one to me.... I have never been called a "cruise missile Liberal" before, let alone a liberal....

I don't want to go to war with anyone, especially someone with 3000 nukes and the delivery systems... My question is Knowing that the Russians do meddle with other countries elections..How do we know when they are doing something like that again, what exactly are they doing, and how are we going to stop it..??
"Meddle" is such a cutsie word. Nations influence each others elections and governments. They have since the beginning of government and they always will.

The leftists are just still upset that their guaranteed candidate lost and they are attempting to delegitimize the election in any way they can. And people are falling for it because they are stupid.

If you remember when Obama said that there was no way our election could be hacked?

Or how about when the evidence came out that the DNC was screwing over sanders and the american people who supported him? Well, that is when we started hearing all muh russia shit.
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Probably China, but how does that excuse what is happening today?
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And with China as head honcho, what would be improved?
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Probably China, but how does that excuse what is happening today?

If the American Empire decided to work for what was in the best interests of the global community, rather than try to increase its power and monopolize global access to resources etc., then maybe we wouldn't have to fear the rise of a Chinese empire again out of the east.

*fwiw, when the Chinese Empire was at its height in the 12th or 13th centuries, the emperor financed ocean-going wooden sailing ships to explore the Pacific and Indian Oceans on the middle ages equivalent of the Moon landings and unmanned satellites to the outer solar system. And these Chinese mariners were also given the task to look for opportunities to trade and barter with people in newly discovered lands. BUT the one clear difference between China and the later European conquistadors and other venturers was that they were not saddled down with debts that could only be paid by finding gold or establishing slave colonies in the New World (Columbus for example!), so China never went through a process of colonization even though they had all of the technological prowess to have done so.
Make no mistake. Twenty-first century China has its sights set on being numero uno.
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"Meddle" is such a cutsie word. Nations influence each others elections and governments. They have since the beginning of government and they always will.

The leftists are just still upset that their guaranteed candidate lost and they are attempting to delegitimize the election in any way they can. And people are falling for it because they are stupid.

If you remember when Obama said that there was no way our election could be hacked?

Or how about when the evidence came out that the DNC was screwing over sanders and the american people who supported him? Well, that is when we started hearing all muh russia shit.


Meddle IS a cutsie word. I rather like it, but maybe you would prefer:
Fiddled? Tinkered? But "influenced"? NOPE--not appropriate for this particular scenario and you can CLAIM nations "influence" elections all the time but you're NOT THAT gullible (another cutsie word?), are you?

We, the world, exited the "influenced" level LONG LONG ago and you know it.
Technology changed, morphed, evolved (all cutsie words) and when it did it opened a whole new world of snooping and manipulating.

I mean, who needs a smoke-filled room when you've got little invisible parasitic BOTS performing automated tasks at a much higher/faster rate than humans.

The "delegitimizing" ploy no longer matters. We have a psychopath in the Oval Office and it looks like he's there to stay, although many of us pray for a miracle.

What really matters to millions of people (but not you because you don't give a shit what happens to this country) is just a little thing called......

MIDTERMS. NOVEMBER 6. 2018. and.....another little thing called.....THE...

2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh??????????????......Explain that one to me.... I have never been called a "cruise missile Liberal" before, let alone a liberal....

I don't want to go to war with anyone, especially someone with 3000 nukes and the delivery systems... My question is Knowing that the Russians do meddle with other countries elections..How do we know when they are doing something like that again, what exactly are they doing, and how are we going to stop it..??
If that didn't come across right, I was addressing the cruise-missile liberals here and using your post as an example of the right being on side with going to war against Russia also.
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Meddle IS a cutsie word. I rather like it, but maybe you would prefer:
Fiddled? Tinkered? But "influenced"? NOPE--not appropriate for this particular scenario and you can CLAIM nations "influence" elections all the time but you're NOT THAT gullible (another cutsie word?), are you?

We, the world, exited the "influenced" level LONG LONG ago and you know it.
Technology changed, morphed, evolved (all cutsie words) and when it did it opened a whole new world of snooping and manipulating.

I mean, who needs a smoke-filled room when you've got little invisible parasitic BOTS performing automated tasks at a much higher/faster rate than humans.

The "delegitimizing" ploy no longer matters. We have a psychopath in the Oval Office and it looks like he's there to stay, although many of us pray for a miracle.

What really matters to millions of people (but not you because you don't give a shit what happens to this country) is just a little thing called......

MIDTERMS. NOVEMBER 6. 2018. and.....another little thing called.....THE...

2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.


What are you going on about? That was a lot of words to not say very much.

Technology is always advancing. Arrows made it easier to kill from a distance. Then came gunpowder and more advanced projectile weaponry. Then the bullet. Man did that change things. How about the telegram, airplanes, cars? What about nukes? All have been used one way or another to influence governments in one way or another.

So, what? You are saying that the big scary computers now....suddenly make it wrong? Or right? Worse? What?

Or is it just because the democrats and their mouthpiece (the legacy media) have been digging this russia hole for so long there is no way out so they (you) may as well keep digging until you get where? China?

As for the psychopath comment i would wager that the majority of world leaders throughout history have been psychopaths. This is a good thing.
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You've been told repeatedly what Obama and his advisors did, but let's go back to 2000.
Who was president then?? It was then that Putin came to power and it was then that patterns of hacking began: tampering with voter rolls, fooling around with the analogues of absentee and early ballots, and manipulating the informational space around the election, so that even if the elections weren’t rigged our government KNEW. Our allies knew. Dubya KNEW but at that point the Russians were "toying" with us....perfecting their art..honing their skills.

Their level of sophistication was tested, probably in the Ukraine and Europe. We know other countries were hacked....but it wasn't until 2015-16 that PUTIN knew which patsy to choose. He chose TRUMP. Don't you ever ask yourself "why Trump"?? Why not Hillary?? I think all know the answer to that.

It was in 2016 that Russia pulled out all the stops. Here. In the U.S.

Bottom line--no matter who the president is: Hacking our servers and meddling in our presidential election counts as espionage.
The entire internet was developed by the US Defense Department, the main routers are all within US borders, all information on the worldwideweb is hoovered up and stored for future use if needed at the NSA's giant server farm in Bluffdale Utah, and four US-based corporations dominate the flow of information on the internet and have been shown to have all made deals with the NSA and Homeland Security to share information....but for some reason, you think Russia is controlling everything!



*I also want to add that this overwhelming access and control of the internet traffic today is the first reason I believe the Putin or Russian gov. meddling stealing the election from Queen Hillary is a fake: precisely because with all of that information and access to information the NSA and NSA contractors have, they would have found the smoking gun...if it actually existed anywhere besides the fantasies of Clinton campaign team!
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