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Old February 14th, 2012, 02:34 PM   #1
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When he says that bigoted preachers will lose their tax exemption status for their churches he is full of shit. At least half the Churches in the South are still segregated by race. Not one has lost their tax exempt status over this.



The rest of it sounds like some of our posters wrote his talking points for him. Same uneducated and/or disingenuous claptrap.
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So his argument is that if a group can organize as a 501C3 they aren't bigots? WTF?



You're a bigot, Rick, because you think a class of lawful Americans should be treated as 2nd-class citizens.

And you're a Christofascist because you think the government should enforce your Catholic sharia laws.
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He's right on regarding the "bigot" thing. Gay rights has just about run the gas out of that one, and needs to come up with some new tricks.



Past that, I think that his "the gays are coming to get us" fears are a big non-sequitor.



Homosexuality should not be an issue in Presidential politics. Shut up about it, already.
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He's right on regarding the "bigot" thing. Gay rights has just about run the gas out of that one, and needs to come up with some new tricks.


How do you think he's right?



So far that "trick" seems to be working very well - most Americans think people like Santorum are bigots. Certainly most young people do.
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So his argument is that if a group can organize as a 501C3 they aren't bigots? WTF?



You're a bigot, Rick, because you think a class of lawful Americans should be treated as 2nd-class citizens.

And you're a Christofascist because you think the government should enforce your Catholic sharia laws.


Sharia is Islamic law.
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So his argument is that if a group can organize as a 501C3 they aren't bigots? WTF?



You're a bigot, Rick, because you think a class of lawful Americans should be treated as 2nd-class citizens.

And you're a Christofascist because you think the government should enforce your Catholic sharia laws.


Sharia is Islamic law.


Yes, that was a metaphor. I use lowercase "sharia" to refer to the religious codes some people want the government to enforce, be it Kosher law, Sharia law, Canon law, or the Mosaic Code. In Santorum's case he's trying to enforce Canon law.



Even wingnuts and Christofascists understand that government enforcement of "sharia law" is a bad thing.
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Good video commentary on Santorum which compares him to an Orwellian theocrat:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640
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The founding principles of this great nation are under attack from radical leftists. No denying that fact.
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Good video commentary on Santorum which compares him to an Orwellian theocrat:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640


From MSNBC the channel that openly attacks Mormons and Christians in prime time?!?



Santorum is gaining a lot of traction with his comments about judicial tyranny and his attacks on the "bigot" mob.



And his point about the APA is right on target. They come up with a few dubious "studies" that are supposed to suddenly reverse millenia of human wisdom and instinct??
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Calling Americans "racists" and "bigots" is not going to win for Obama. Obama and his minions are bad for the United States of America. We can do better than these miscreant pusillanimous pissants.
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He's right on regarding the "bigot" thing. Gay rights has just about run the gas out of that one, and needs to come up with some new tricks.


How do you think he's right?



So far that "trick" seems to be working very well - most Americans think people like Santorum are bigots. Certainly most young people do.


Young people are naive, and extremely susceptible to arguments based upon appeals to emotion -- which is what practically every "pro-gay" argument is based on. They've also been conditioned, or perhaps more accurately, desensitised to homosexuality, as well as all manner of sexual debauchery. (Think of the analogy of a frog in a pan of water that's being slowly heated up.)



I'm not sure how many people would agree with a statement along the lines that the Mormon, Catholic, or Baha'i religions are "bigoted," simply because they won't affirm homosexuality or bless gay marriage ceremonies in the church, temple or house of worship.



And really, what does it matter how many people would agree? The stupidity of an idea isn't always relative to its popularity.



Santorum, like any politician, says many stupid things. And he says some stupid thing regarding homosexuality. But he's also said some things that are spot on, regardless of how many people, young or old, scream "bigot."



But, again, I don't think it (homosexuality) even needs to be up for discussion in regard to a Presidential race. The president doesn't decide whether people are gay. It's none of his or her business, and has nothing to do with the duties of the Oval Office.
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Young people are naive, and extremely susceptible to arguments based upon appeals to emotion -- which is what practically every "pro-gay" argument is based on. They've also been conditioned, or perhaps more accurately, desensitised to homosexuality, as well as all manner of sexual debauchery. (Think of the analogy of a frog in a pan of water that's being slowly heated up.)


Yep....just like young people were naive about the evils of mixed-race marriage.



The simple fact is that elderly bigots like yourself eventually fall off the demographic charts. That's how most social progress occurs, when the elderly bigots die.



Even the Mormons and SBC sort of accept mixed-race marriage today, something that was unthinkable for both cults just 50 years ago. Speaking of which, HBO had a good documentary last night about the Loving v Virginia case. They didn't mention same-sex marriage once, but it reverberated throughout the documentary - from the arrest in the middle of the night to the blatant legal inequity and irrational religious bias - even the religious bias used by various courts to justify irrational discrimination.



But under the mytmouse standard it wasn't bigotry simply because the Mormons and SBC wouldn't affirm or bless mixed-race marriage ceremonies in the church, temple or house of worship......it was simply people of faith who hadn't become desensitized to all manner of sexual debauchery.
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Calling Americans "racists" and "bigots" is not going to win for Obama. Obama and his minions are bad for the United States of America. We can do better than these miscreant pusillanimous pissants.


I agree that the Obama regime is dangerous and antithetical to liberty and all that has made this country great. But as I see it, his problem is that he is just George W. Bush II. No real difference.
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Young people are naive, and extremely susceptible to arguments based upon appeals to emotion -- which is what practically every "pro-gay" argument is based on. They've also been conditioned, or perhaps more accurately, desensitised to homosexuality, as well as all manner of sexual debauchery. (Think of the analogy of a frog in a pan of water that's being slowly heated up.)


Yep....just like young people were naive about the evils of mixed-race marriage.



The simple fact is that elderly bigots like yourself eventually fall off the demographic charts. That's how most social progress occurs, when the elderly bigots die.



Even the Mormons and SBC sort of accept mixed-race marriage today, something that was unthinkable for both cults just 50 years ago. Speaking of which, HBO had a good documentary last night about the Loving v Virginia case. They didn't mention same-sex marriage once, but it reverberated throughout the documentary - from the arrest in the middle of the night to the blatant legal inequity and irrational religious bias - even the religious bias used by various courts to justify irrational discrimination.


"Elderly?" LOL.



My Dad is "elderly --" technically. But I probably should not tell him that. Because he'd kick my ass.



Once again, you essentially prove my point, by failing to address it, and then go off on a weird side journey based upon an appeal to the atrocity of racism. When I've also pointed out to you that homosexuality -- which essentially involves a set of desires or urges than can lead to behavior that some people, for good reason, find overtly dysfunctional and morally reprehensible -- can NOT be accurately or fairly compared to race.



I wasn't slamming young people. They're just as, if not more, valuable to society as us old farts. I was merely noting facts. Young minds tend to be naive, and susceptible to argument couched in appeals to emotion. Which is exactly what drumming up images of racism is.
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Once again, you essentially prove my point, by failing to address it, and then go off on a weird side journey based upon an appeal to the atrocity of racism. When I've also pointed out to you that homosexuality -- which essentially involves a set of desires or urges than can lead to behavior that some people, for good reason, find overtly dysfunctional and morally reprehensible -- can NOT be accurately or fairly compared to race.


Who compared sexual orientation to race? I certainly didn't. What I compared was the irrational discrimination and the bigotry.



And anyone who refers to sex between gays as "sexual debauchery" has a few screws loose, and is definitely an offensive bigot. I doubt my daughter would appreciate learning that she engages in "sexual debauchery". I would think "sexual debauchery" would more closely correspond to having sex with someone you aren't attracted to and don't love......something bigots like you expect gays to do.
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Once again, you essentially prove my point, by failing to address it, and then go off on a weird side journey based upon an appeal to the atrocity of racism. When I've also pointed out to you that homosexuality -- which essentially involves a set of desires or urges than can lead to behavior that some people, for good reason, find overtly dysfunctional and morally reprehensible -- can NOT be accurately or fairly compared to race.


Who compared sexual orientation to race? I certainly didn't. What I compared was the irrational discrimination and the bigotry.



And anyone who refers to sex between gays as "sexual debauchery" has a few screws loose, and is definitely an offensive bigot. I doubt my daughter would appreciate learning that she engages in "sexual debauchery". I would think "sexual debauchery" would more closely correspond to having sex with someone you aren't attracted to and don't love......something bigots like you expect gays to do.


People have different opinions. You have yours and others have theirs. What makes your opinions more valuable than someone else's?
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Once again, you essentially prove my point, by failing to address it, and then go off on a weird side journey based upon an appeal to the atrocity of racism. When I've also pointed out to you that homosexuality -- which essentially involves a set of desires or urges than can lead to behavior that some people, for good reason, find overtly dysfunctional and morally reprehensible -- can NOT be accurately or fairly compared to race.


Who compared sexual orientation to race? I certainly didn't. What I compared was the irrational discrimination and the bigotry.



And anyone who refers to sex between gays as "sexual debauchery" has a few screws loose, and is definitely an offensive bigot. I doubt my daughter would appreciate learning that she engages in "sexual debauchery". I would think "sexual debauchery" would more closely correspond to having sex with someone you aren't attracted to and don't love......something bigots like you expect gays to do.


What's irrational about thinking homosexuality is weird and dysfunctional?
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Young people are naive, and extremely susceptible to arguments based upon appeals to emotion -- which is what practically every "pro-gay" argument is based on. They've also been conditioned, or perhaps more accurately, desensitised to homosexuality, as well as all manner of sexual debauchery. (Think of the analogy of a frog in a pan of water that's being slowly heated up.)


Yep....just like young people were naive about the evils of mixed-race marriage.



The simple fact is that elderly bigots like yourself eventually fall off the demographic charts. That's how most social progress occurs, when the elderly bigots die.








Your ageophobia is duly noted.



However don't assume that young people will never change their minds as they grow older and more mature
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Once again, you essentially prove my point, by failing to address it, and then go off on a weird side journey based upon an appeal to the atrocity of racism. When I've also pointed out to you that homosexuality -- which essentially involves a set of desires or urges than can lead to behavior that some people, for good reason, find overtly dysfunctional and morally reprehensible -- can NOT be accurately or fairly compared to race.


Who compared sexual orientation to race? I certainly didn't. What I compared was the irrational discrimination and the bigotry.



And anyone who refers to sex between gays as "sexual debauchery" has a few screws loose, and is definitely an offensive bigot. I doubt my daughter would appreciate learning that she engages in "sexual debauchery". I would think "sexual debauchery" would more closely correspond to having sex with someone you aren't attracted to and don't love......something bigots like you expect gays to do.


By saying the "irrational bigotry" is the same, you're essentially saying people who don't buy into what you assume to be forgone conclusions about homosexuality (IOW, "bigots") can be cast in with racists.



Because homosexuality is nothing like race (or having red hair, or being left-handed, or any of the countless other examples that are trotted out to try to make it seem benign or "normal) all such comparisons and arguments fail.



Quit assuming you think you know what I "expect" gays to do. I expect they act like human beings -- just like everybody else does. You're missing the point, on the subjective level, I would expect that many gay people's experiences in sex and love have been little different than mine.



I'm questioning the objective nature of homosexuality itself, and the current, politically correct, feel-good, supposedly forgone conclusions about it.
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