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Old February 17th, 2012, 02:46 PM   #1
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I see a lot of doom - sayers around here talking as though Obama has already won, and although I do think it is a possibility, I think it is important to realize that he is far from a sure thing.



It seems safe to say that every person who was ever going to vote for Obama probably did so in 2008. That was the height of his popularity, when our nation was over-run with brain dead Obamabots... But even then he barely eeked out a win against McCain, a pretty weak candidate. Obama only managed to win by about 6%.



Today, more people than ever are mad at Obama and displeased with his failure to actually accomplish anything. He's not held true on any of his important campaign promises.



So really all the Republicans need to do is pick up 6% in a country that is already displeased with Obama's lack of accomplishments. That should not be hard. Of course, the Republicans are doing everything they can to fuck it up. If Obama is re-elected it will not be his win, it will be the Republican's failure.



Obama's biggest advantage is that all of his Marxist buddies in Hollywood already have plans to help him out by releasing a movie about the killing of bin Laden right before the election... But will that be enough? Can the American people be stupid enough to fall for such a ploy? Time will tell.



Meanwhile, Costa Rica looks better and better every day.
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I think Obama's lack of achievements says more about the impotence of the US system of government due to all those famous checks and balances.



As long as it takes 60 votes to pass anything through the US Senate, nothing much is likely to change no matter who wins the Presidential election.



Meanwhile Judges have a disproportionate amount of power to disrupt the will of Congress by making highly debateable rulings on the meaning of the Constitution.



Perhaps the Founding Fathers were too good at restricting the power of government and the net result is that nothing gets done.



Whether it's the economy, the deficit, immigration, energy, health care, infrastructure, SS, Medicare - there's a lot of hot air but NOTHING EVER GETS DONE!



You are right, a lot of people will vote against Obama out of spite, but which Republican candidate has any great ideas about tackling these issues?



And even if he has ideas how can he get anything passed?
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That's my garyman, you tell em. Also just to note, Obama's approval rating is at a high 50%, a high he hasn't seen in about 8 months. So what the heck you're talking about tadpole?
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I see a lot of doom - sayers around here talking as though Obama has already won, and although I do think it is a possibility, I think it is important to realize that he is far from a sure thing.



It seems safe to say that every person who was ever going to vote for Obama probably did so in 2008. That was the height of his popularity, when our nation was over-run with brain dead Obamabots... But even then he barely eeked out a win against McCain, a pretty weak candidate. Obama only managed to win by about 6%.



Today, more people than ever are mad at Obama and displeased with his failure to actually accomplish anything. He's not held true on any of his important campaign promises.



So really all the Republicans need to do is pick up 6% in a country that is already displeased with Obama's lack of accomplishments. That should not be hard. Of course, the Republicans are doing everything they can to fuck it up. If Obama is re-elected it will not be his win, it will be the Republican's failure.



Obama's biggest advantage is that all of his Marxist buddies in Hollywood already have plans to help him out by releasing a movie about the killing of bin Laden right before the election... But will that be enough? Can the American people be stupid enough to fall for such a ploy? Time will tell.



Meanwhile, Costa Rica looks better and better every day.


I find references to Obama being a Marxist just as offensive as references to Bush being a Nazi. He is far from a socialist and has not implemented ONE government policy that other presidents have not implemented, and in fact, he did not grow this government as much as his predecessor.



That being said, he has accomplished a lot when you consider what he has had to work with. The obstructionism from the right has been UNPRECEDENTED for any president. Most people who voted for him in 2008, even those of us who are not entirely happy with everything he has done or not done, realize that you don't fix in 4 years what was created in 30.



Of course he is not a sure thing, but he is looking more and more likely to clinch this thing every day Republicans open their traps.



Republicans have a huge problem. The only contender at this point who stands half a chance of beating him is Mitt Romney, and Mitt is NOT a conservative in spite of all his posturing right now. He has a long way to go distance himself from mandated healthcare and he is taking a pummeling right now. What message does he bring to Michigan for example? Unions are bad? Bailing out the auto industry was a bad thing? Obama made things worse? Come on, we know that is not true. Things are simply NOT as bad as they were when Obama took office. At that time, not only had the housing market collapsed, but the fear level was way higher than it is now about what would come next. Our economy is more stable than it was when he took office, and that says a lot.



Santorum can not win a general election. He was rejected in Pennsylvania by `18% as a Senator because of his radical right wing social views. It may play to Republicans, but not to a general electorate.



No, Republicans have a huge problem. This election is Obama's to lose so far.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 07:21 PM   #5
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That's my garyman, you tell em. Also just to note, Obama's approval rating is at a high 50%, a high he hasn't seen in about 8 months. So what the heck you're talking about tadpole?


50% may be high for Obama, but it is not a high approval rating. And approval ratings rarely translate into an equal number of votes.
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Santorum can not win a general election. He was rejected in Pennsylvania by `18% as a Senator because of his radical right wing social views. It may play to Republicans, but not to a general electorate.


That's why I'm voting for that nutball in my state's primary.
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No, Republicans have a huge problem. This election is Obama's to lose so far.


You may be right, and if you are god help us all... This country may never recover from what damage he may be able to do if he is given a second term with no need to worry about re-election... All we can hope for at that point is that the republicans (who I like no better than the democrats) sweep both houses of the congress to ensure that he cannot get anything done. This president is a dangerous man. Just as dangerous as Bush, in fact he is in no way different from Bush as best I can tell...



The economy is not recovering so long as we have exponentially growing national debt, it's a false indicator, it's just the government propping things up, and that is grossly unsustainable. The per capita national debt was $35,000 per person when Obama took Office, by the end of this year it will be $50,000 per person. If that doesn't make you shit brinks you are either ignorant or comatose. He must be stopped.
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Santorum can not win a general election. He was rejected in Pennsylvania by `18% as a Senator because of his radical right wing social views. It may play to Republicans, but not to a general electorate.


That's why I'm voting for that nutball in my state's primary.


You want Santorum?
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[quote name='knowuryder' timestamp='1329529269' post='384187']

Santorum can not win a general election. He was rejected in Pennsylvania by `18% as a Senator because of his radical right wing social views. It may play to Republicans, but not to a general electorate.


That's why I'm voting for that nutball in my state's primary.


You want Santorum?

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No, I want an unelectable Republican to win the GOP primary. Since Bachmann dropped out Santorum is the next on the list.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #10
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[quote name='knowuryder' timestamp='1329529269' post='384187']

Santorum can not win a general election. He was rejected in Pennsylvania by `18% as a Senator because of his radical right wing social views. It may play to Republicans, but not to a general electorate.


That's why I'm voting for that nutball in my state's primary.


You want Santorum?

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No, I want an unelectable Republican to win the GOP primary.

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Oh so you did the scumbag thing and changed parties so you could poison the vote... That's awfully shitty of you.
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That's my garyman, you tell em. Also just to note, Obama's approval rating is at a high 50%, a high he hasn't seen in about 8 months. So what the heck you're talking about tadpole?


50% may be high for Obama, but it is not a high approval rating. And approval ratings rarely translate into an equal number of votes.


It just seem contradictory to your OP lol.
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[quote name='tadpole256' timestamp='1329539309' post='384200']

[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1329539193' post='384198']

[quote name='knowuryder' timestamp='1329529269' post='384187']

Santorum can not win a general election. He was rejected in Pennsylvania by `18% as a Senator because of his radical right wing social views. It may play to Republicans, but not to a general electorate.


That's why I'm voting for that nutball in my state's primary.


You want Santorum?

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No, I want an unelectable Republican to win the GOP primary.

[/quote]



Oh so you did the scumbag thing and changed parties so you could poison the vote... That's awfully shitty of you.

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It's called strategic voting, and I'm not registered in any party. My state has an open primary and the guy I want to win the general election won't be in a primary.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 07:35 PM   #13
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[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1329524605' post='384177']

That's my garyman, you tell em. Also just to note, Obama's approval rating is at a high 50%, a high he hasn't seen in about 8 months. So what the heck you're talking about tadpole?


50% may be high for Obama, but it is not a high approval rating. And approval ratings rarely translate into an equal number of votes.


It just seem contradictory to your OP lol.

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50% is hardly his high point... I mean coming up slightly from a pretty low low is hardly an achievement. He just gave everyone a tax cut, of course he got a little boost. Is it any surprise that his approval rating is nearly equal to that of the number of people receiving government subsidies?
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Old February 17th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #14
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[quote name='tadpole256' timestamp='1329539309' post='384200']

[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1329539193' post='384198']

[quote name='knowuryder' timestamp='1329529269' post='384187']

Santorum can not win a general election. He was rejected in Pennsylvania by `18% as a Senator because of his radical right wing social views. It may play to Republicans, but not to a general electorate.


That's why I'm voting for that nutball in my state's primary.


You want Santorum?

[/quote]



No, I want an unelectable Republican to win the GOP primary.

[/quote]



Oh so you did the scumbag thing and changed parties so you could poison the vote... That's awfully shitty of you.

[/quote]



It's called strategic voting, and I'm not registered in any party. My state has an open primary and the guy I want to win the general election won't be in a primary.

[/quote]



I understand the concept, but I think it is a pretty scummy mis-use of our system. I know people do it all the time, and I know that your vote will make no difference at all, but it's a matter of principle. It's not something I would expect from someone with a good moral character. It's a scumbag move. You should vote honestly, or not vote.
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[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1329524605' post='384177']

That's my garyman, you tell em. Also just to note, Obama's approval rating is at a high 50%, a high he hasn't seen in about 8 months. So what the heck you're talking about tadpole?


50% may be high for Obama, but it is not a high approval rating. And approval ratings rarely translate into an equal number of votes.


It just seem contradictory to your OP lol.

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50% is hardly his high point... I mean coming up slightly from a pretty low low is hardly an achievement. He just gave everyone a tax cut, of course he got a little boost. Is it any surprise that his approval rating is nearly equal to that of the number of people receiving government subsidies?

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He's doing what Americans like, it's call a democracy.
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[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1329539435' post='384203']

[quote name='tadpole256' timestamp='1329539309' post='384200']

[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1329539193' post='384198']

[quote name='knowuryder' timestamp='1329529269' post='384187']

Santorum can not win a general election. He was rejected in Pennsylvania by `18% as a Senator because of his radical right wing social views. It may play to Republicans, but not to a general electorate.


That's why I'm voting for that nutball in my state's primary.


You want Santorum?

[/quote]



No, I want an unelectable Republican to win the GOP primary.

[/quote]



Oh so you did the scumbag thing and changed parties so you could poison the vote... That's awfully shitty of you.

[/quote]



It's called strategic voting, and I'm not registered in any party. My state has an open primary and the guy I want to win the general election won't be in a primary.

[/quote]



I understand the concept, but I think it is a pretty scummy mis-use of our system. I know people do it all the time, and I know that your vote will make no difference at all, but it's a matter of principle. It's not something I would expect from someone with a good moral character. It's a scumbag move. You should vote honestly, or not vote.

[/quote]



As long as we've got a binary voting system rather than proportional representation, strategic voting will be a fact and an important tool.
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Hey tadpole look at this



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFJjEjMgaf0
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[quote name='tadpole256' timestamp='1329539505' post='384204']

[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1329539435' post='384203']

[quote name='tadpole256' timestamp='1329539309' post='384200']

[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1329539193' post='384198']

[quote name='knowuryder' timestamp='1329529269' post='384187']

Santorum can not win a general election. He was rejected in Pennsylvania by `18% as a Senator because of his radical right wing social views. It may play to Republicans, but not to a general electorate.


That's why I'm voting for that nutball in my state's primary.


You want Santorum?

[/quote]



No, I want an unelectable Republican to win the GOP primary.

[/quote]



Oh so you did the scumbag thing and changed parties so you could poison the vote... That's awfully shitty of you.

[/quote]



It's called strategic voting, and I'm not registered in any party. My state has an open primary and the guy I want to win the general election won't be in a primary.

[/quote]



I understand the concept, but I think it is a pretty scummy mis-use of our system. I know people do it all the time, and I know that your vote will make no difference at all, but it's a matter of principle. It's not something I would expect from someone with a good moral character. It's a scumbag move. You should vote honestly, or not vote.

[/quote]



As long as we've got a binary voting system rather than proportional representation, strategic voting will be a fact and an important tool.

[/quote]



I'm positive that if you can rationalize ridicule as legitimate, you've no problem with this tactic either.



I agree Tad, this is shitty thing to do. And what goes 'round will come 'round. "Strategic voting" seems real cool when your party's candidate isn't facing a primary, but when the Ds have a primary process next time around, the Rs I'm sure will do their best to f*ck that up for ya ol' skrekk.



It's so incredible how prophetic "1984" was. It's possible that Rs determine a D candidate, and vice versa. The whole damn world is stood on its head, while people insist it's right side up.
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50% is hardly his high point... I mean coming up slightly from a pretty low low is hardly an achievement. He just gave everyone a tax cut, of course he got a little boost. Is it any surprise that his approval rating is nearly equal to that of the number of people receiving government subsidies?


The bump in approval numbers came from the better-than-expected jobs report a couple of weeks ago. Curious you would try to use whatever percentage of folks use government subsides as a way to measure the President's job approval, for a lot of self-proclaimed conservatives who despise Obama have no problem sucking off the government teat, i know a few personally.
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As for Skrekk's voting strategy, I don't care, I'm doing the same although it may not be for Santorum because I find both front-runners insipid in their own special ways, and barely electable to boot. As for Obama, I'm well aware that nothing is set in stone and that he's never guaranteed a victory, no matter how awful his opponent may be, which is why I've already donated to his re-election campaign.
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