goober

There have been copies circulating since June.
That's why BuzzFeed was justified in publishing the dossier.
Not as an established fact, that everything in the dossier was true.
But as a fact, this is the dossier that everyone is talking about.
This dossier was paid for by Republicans, as opposition research for the primaries.
Wouldn't it be supreme irony if the guy who paid for it, is one of the guys who got a cushy post in the Trump Administration?

Sabcat

I have hired hookers/dancers to clean before. Money well spent.

imaginethat

That's all really interesting, but irrelevant to the point I made.

And blaming all the shortcomings of the last eight years on Obama is far from reality. What bloody bullshit to assert that Obama had eight years of non-stop media blessings. Every single conspiracy theory dreamed up by the right side's sore losers, every single bit of right side fake news was front and center.

The Obama war legacy? The Obama war legacy?

You've joined those who have created a fake reality account of the last eight years.

But back to Bush, GW screwed this country worse than Obama, worse than any president in my lifetime. His screwings resulted in generational damage, resulted in the "Obama war legacy" because his ridiculous notion of "spreading democracy" was pure neocon fantasy, which they knew. Continuous warfare was the neocons' goal, and I will admit Obama handled "The New American Century" poorly, but then again if you are in a car headed for a dead end with not enough time to stop and someone hands you the wheel....

The "with us or against us" Iraq invasion ignited Putin, ended the brief moments of world unity following 911, a unity never to be duplicated.

GW's permission given to humiliating enemy prisoners forever stained the reputation of the US.

His lies, his connecting Saddam and 911 began the front-page era of fake news.

His drunken state on the world stage Olympics disgraced the office of president.

He was used by the evil cabal that surrounded him, and the fact is: the neocons' hope was realized, to inflame the Middle East in a way that ensured US involvement for generations. Hell, the sons of bitches said, on the outset, that the War on Terror was a generational war.

And now some of the same morons who till this day continue defending GW Bush and the bastard neocons who surrounded him and led his foreign policies aren't missing a beat and are getting behind a president who before being sworn in has revealed his dictatorial demeanor, a demeanor that will continue to amplify and amplify some more.

The Donald will demonstrate conclusively that running government like a business isn't a good idea. We've entered the age of the US oligarchy, of not only empire but emperor. Trump's "hope and change," oops, I meant his MAGA, will make Obama's failures seem inconsequential.

And count on it. The New American Century of never-ending neocon warfare will continue. Your and your kin's attempts to shift the blame to Obama for the neocon state in which live are disgraceful and dishonorable.

right to left

I didn't have time to deal with this one earlier:
Your point was what logicians call "special pleading." Bush's approval ratings were pretty dismal by the time he left office, because the media and most Democrats started turning against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and his faint hope of getting out of Dodge before the economic bubble collapsed failed with the banking and real estate meltdown. Now, compare that to Obama....what are his accomplishments again?

Special pleading again! Mainstream, acceptable corporate media was right in his corner throughout two terms...hence much higher job approval ratings for having little to show for it.

Did you miss the point recently that Mr. Nobel Peace Prize-winning president will retire next week as the ONLY president to be at war during his entire two terms in office!
*news flash: according to Military.com, because the Taleban appears set to overrun Helmund Province in Afghanistan, 300 marine "advisers" are being sent there to try to stop them from taking over the capital...so much for that Afghan Surge bringing this one to an early conclusion!
U.S. to send 300 Marines to Afghanistan's Helmand province | Reuters
And then there's Yemen! Ghastly war crimes, including mass starvation of major cities are happening there right now, and you can't find a fucking thing about it in US corporate media!
So, RT is supposed to be fake news according to the true sources of bullshit like the Washington Post, but RT's Arabic Division are the only ones on the ground there trying to get the story out to the rest of the Arab World..and eventually to America..the war criminals who make Saudi War Crimes possible!
https://www.rt.com/news/373712-yemen...shing-houthis/
And what is "fake reality?" If it's fake, it's not reality; and if it's reality, it's not fake.Do you recall a brief statement that goes:"we choose to look forward, not back?" It came out of Barack Obama's mouth not very long after assuming office, and ended any speculation that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others would face war crimes charges. As I recall, Cheney seemed the most concerned about investigations and facing some sort of trial. But, after that, he stopped making threats and quietly shuffled off back to his crypt.

When Obama was running for president in 08...if anyone recalls, he declared a number of times right in the Democratic debates that Iraq was the wrong war/but Afghanistan was the right one apparently, and was talking about an Afghan surge long before he took office.....how did that one work out? And yet he collected a Nobel Prize almost as soon as he walked in to the front door at the White House. Maybe they'll give one to Trump too, and every other new US president upon assuming office!
No, I don't think Putin trusted Bush much from the start, and the main friction was regarding a continuing of the encirclement strategy that Clinton started on the Eastern Front. The Bush Admin sunk a lot of money into propping up an unpopular dictatoral president of Georgia, and was talking about making it the next NATO member. Two Russian enclaves within Georgia revolted and declared independence....with or without the help of Putin. It was not very likely Putin's first option to carve out another small Russian enclave that doesn't have the resources to support itself and burden the Russian treasury.

And the US was also trying to turn the other southern, former Soviet republics against Russia also...mostly to get natural gas pipelines built, but also as bases and staging areas in the Afghanistan War.

And where was the war crimes trial after he left office?

You likely aren't aware of this, but many insiders...or at least claimed insiders, have testified independently that Bush became disillusioned with the real president - Cheney's policymaking ventures, and quietly pushed Cheney away from giving orders to the State Dept. and left him out of cabinet meetings in the final two years of his 2nd term. Many observers were expecting some form of combined US/Israel attack on Iran (especially Netanyahu), and Bush shut it down! So, give him credit for at least not going along with that war!

In case you weren't aware of it, George Bush wasn't invited to GOP conventions after he left office, and has been almost invisible....so who's been defending Bush again?You're saying that the oligarchy is just beginning now? The only thing I can see different is that Trump has eliminated the middle man, and is putting the CEO's directly in charge of important cabinet portfolios. Previously, the oligarchs had to do this by paid representatives...which is likely the way most of them prefer it! Rather than be right out there in front, where everyone can see them and what they're doing.

And if Trump is worse than Obama, that's some kind of plus for Obama! How?

Obama continued that Neocon warfare in case you weren't aware of it! Even starting his own regime change operations in Libya, Syria, Ukraine and Honduras...overthrowing a democratically elected government because he delivered on a promised minimum wage that US fruit-growers didn't want.
And it's not like Trump is going to start new wars...or maybe he will, but he's got 7 wars he will inherit next weekend, that he has to deal with also.

One thing I notice from both conservatives and liberals is that the vast majority of you subscribe to the Great Man theory of history...meaning that history is made and changed by singular, exceptional leaders...and I think it's bullshit!

Donald Trump is where he is now, because America has gone further done the toilet than it was in 2012...when Trump also ran for president... mostly on his birther conspiracy theory, and made very little impact in the Republican race. Yet this time something was very different. Right from the start, Trump was connecting strongly with supporters, many of whom wouldn't have listened to him even four years ago.

Clara007

The question is.....CLEAN what???

Southern Dad

Does anyone really care if Trump paid for it when visiting Russia? Is it illegal for an American to hire Russian prostitutes? I don't believe for a second that it happened but even if it did, I don't give a shit. I want President Elect Donald J Trump to fix our economy not teach morals.

Gigi Van Tran

If you aren't worried about morals, then you might want to concern yourself less with Obamas daughters and stop slut shaming them.

Southern Dad

I know this totally escapes you but in one case we are talking about something that happened years ago and in the other we are talking about something that is current. If Miss Obama wants to shake her butt like a tramp on video that is her option.

goober

And he's going to do the same thing to the American Economy that those Russian prostitutes did to that hotel room bed.

Call it "trickle down theory"

Jimgorn

I would not be surprised if McCain paid for it....Why did he send a courier to London to get it if the FBI already had it??