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Old January 30th, 2017, 11:33 AM   #11
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Two things:

1. They said the same thing about Republicans in 2008.

How did that work out again?

2. Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump did, and Democrats got 12 million more votes for Congress.

No doubt he must think Trump is a popular President sailing towards a second term.
Well, Clinton only proved that she could win California decisively! She knew how the Electoral College system works, and I recall when, in mid-campaign, idiot pundits on CNN telling everyone that although Trump was rising and near-par with Clinton in the polls, her support in key battleground states would guarantee an electoral college win. Afterwards they're screaming about the electoral college, which they can do nothing about, and were not even willing to assist with three recounts.

I should add that the Clinton Campaign burned through twice as much money as Donald Trump's. If Bernie Sanders was the candidate, he would have likely won against Trump!
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Old January 30th, 2017, 11:38 AM   #12
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What nonsense! Mike Whitney (Australian) has conveniently left out some key points and has been posting his very biased political opines for years. In this particular case he's offering up a piece supposedly dedicated to the Democratic Party (which he despises) demise, while in reality bashing Obama once again.
The reader is supposed to 'buy in' to the premise that Obama was an unpopular president, even though he left the Oval office with an approval rating of 60% and we are to believe that it was the failed Obama presidency that led the voters to Trump??
AND how about the fact that Clinton won the popular vote? Or the fact that millions of voters chose to stay home or select a write-in or third-party candidates. This was an incredibly emotional election. Very few voters actually believed that Trump was qualified for the job. So the election became a poli-sci experiment. What would happen if we actually elected a business man? What would happen if we elected someone with absolutely no qualifications? What if we switched gears entirely and voted for a morally bankrupt individual who acts like a five year old? So the voters held their nose and checked the Trump box.
As for the Democrats? I'll admit we've got some work to do--some soul searching--but historically presidential elections are circuitous. In the last two decades we've gone from a Dem president to a GOP president to a Dem president and now back to a GOP president---although we know Trump is NOT a conservative. IN fact, most of us have no idea WHAT he is. A fluke??
So here's what's going to happen and it's pretty predictable to anyone except Mike Whitney. Trump will serve ONE term. While he is serving the Democratic Party, LED BY BARACK Obama, will dig deep. They will pull together their senior statesmen and begin the come back. It is time to find the next president. AND we will be back. As Mark Twain said in 1915: “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” AND so it is with the Democratic Party.
Does it matter where Mike Whitney lives? I haven't lived in the US for over 25 years either! But I still have family and others I keep in contact with, and I think there is an advantage to being an outside observer of the US: you're not in the fishbowl with everyone else, hearing the same rhetoric and talkingpoints over and over without any outside alternatives.

The only honest reporting done in America today is by small, fledgling internet sites and the US branches of foreign media coming from Europe, England and Russia! I'll trust RTAmerica on US coverage way more than any US networks.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 12:05 PM   #13
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You're leaving out that Obama had two years with a Democratic majority and rather than try anything really bold, preferred to punt away the football (just like Billy did when he took over in 92) rather than put major campaign promises like the Employee Free Choice Act and a 'public option' or Medicare buy-in to be offered along with a middle of the road health insurance reform package. It was Obama's mistake to not understand he didn't have a dealmaker in the new GOP majority like Newt Gingrich; so he had no one to make unseemly deals with...that included an offer to freeze and eventually privatize Social Security. Republicans were in no mood for Republican-light, even when a centrist corporate Democrat offers them Republican policies!

So, all I can say is people on the left better start now looking at the issues/instead of fawning bullshit hero worship every time they start following a favorite candidate!
I'm no fan of Obama. If you read closely you'll see most of my posts are simply pointing out the shear and utter hypocrisy of the right.

Case in point. Since loosing the senate in 2006, before Obama was even elected, the Republicans had started their obstructionist campaign. That first year they nearly doubled the number of filibusters. They maintained that pace until the last session of congress where they nearly doubled it again. from an average of 60 to 70 filibusters per two year session to more than 250 in the 13-14 session. Point being Obama knew walking in the front door, there was going to be NO COMPROMISE with the Republicans. Even with their man in the White House, they had already spent two years blocking every Democratic initiative. For all their braying and whining about being left out of the Obamacare process, they had already proved they weren't going to compromise. WHY would Obama think they were suddenly to change their minds ??

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No kidding Hillary was a bad candidate! And who cheated and forced Hillary through as the Democratic choice? Mostly the same people screaming and trying to divert attention from the obvious facts behind Podesta Leaks and DNC Leaks: it doesn't matter a crap whether the leaks came from Russian hackers or were leaked deliberately by unhappy insiders; but the screaming and evidence-empty case the CIA and other spy agencies claim to have against Putin, has just been a diversion accepted by the Democratic establishment and their media to hide the corruption going on inside a party that is still trying to cover up and run corporate sponsored candidates as the opposition to Trump.

Most people(whether they are inside or outside the Democratic Party) are demanding something better than the crap they've been served for several decades now, and the Dems may still lose if they again have nothing to offer to working class people in America.
Yes I was very disturbed by the whole process. I think had Hillary and the DNC (not to mention Hillary sycophants in the the media) given Bernie a fair shake he could have beat Hillary for the nomination. As mentioned he had enormous grass roots support, but the media effectively black balled him, while at the same time covering every outrageous word that Trump spewed.

When you consider how badly the email scandal damaged Hillary, and the fact she still got nearly 3 million more votes than Trump. Had the Dems put up Bernie or almost any other candidate I think Trump would be sitting in New York crying about how the election was rigged against him.

Hopefully the Democrats will take the lessons learned and do something with them.

Of course Trump is in the same boat now. After 10 years of Republican filibusters, I doubt the Dems are just going to stand by and do nothing. My sincerest hope is that Trump and the Repubs actually get somethings right. Maybe, I doubt it it, but just maybe, after 10 years of tantrums, they'll grow up a bit and reach out across the isle.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 12:19 PM   #14
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The reader is supposed to 'buy in' to the premise that Obama was an unpopular president, even though he left the Oval office with an approval rating of 60% and we are to believe that it was the failed Obama presidency that led the voters to Trump??
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Man, every time I read something here about Obama his approval ratings increase. How is this?

50% I understood as that is close to the % of Americans on the dole but 60%?

That one is a bit ridiculous. Then again this is from sister Clara who for months paraded her stats that all but ensured the lizard queens ascension to the throne. How the there was no mathmatical was for King Trump to succeed. Her lizardness owned the electoral collage. Next time look out as the Brat Prince will have an approval rating of some 75% and we will again be told that less than 1% of the American people are an incredible number that should be enough to overturn the election.
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Yet, its early enough for you and the other lefties to say he is doing bad. Ironic
I have said he is unfit to be president. I have not said he is "doing bad".

That he was unfit for the presidency was obvious during the campaign and he has done nothing in the two weeks since he's been sworn in that would change my mind (and many things that just further convinces me he is unfit)

Thinking he is unfit is bot the same as saying he has failed or been unsuccessful. I fully EXPECT him to fail but will withhold judgement until that time comes.
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Man, every time I read something here about Obama his approval ratings increase. How is this?

50% I understood as that is close to the % of Americans on the dole but 60%?

That one is a bit ridiculous. Then again this is from sister Clara who for months paraded her stats that all but ensured the lizard queens ascension to the throne. How the there was no mathmatical was for King Trump to succeed. Her lizardness owned the electoral collage. Next time look out as the Brat Prince will have an approval rating of some 75% and we will again be told that less than 1% of the American people are an incredible number that should be enough to overturn the election.

Sabcat, if it elevates you to mock me--to point out my mistakes/statements/posts, then by all means......continue. I'm not going to make excuses for my posts. I post information I have read and researched and attempt to post accurate information, with sources.

As for Obama's approval rating? Here's the source: Barack Obama leaving office at 60% approval rating - UPI.com

Or if you prefer Gallup: Presidential Approval Ratings -- Barack Obama | Gallup Historical Data & Trends
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Old January 31st, 2017, 03:27 AM   #17
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Does it matter where Mike Whitney lives? I haven't lived in the US for over 25 years either! But I still have family and others I keep in contact with, and I think there is an advantage to being an outside observer of the US: you're not in the fishbowl with everyone else, hearing the same rhetoric and talkingpoints over and over without any outside alternatives.

The only honest reporting done in America today is by small, fledgling internet sites and the US branches of foreign media coming from Europe, England and Russia! I'll trust RTAmerica on US coverage way more than any US networks.


Oh, so because I posted a small piece of information (Australian) about the author, you felt compelled to nitpick my post?? Well, go for it. Have at it. Knock yourself out, but I do not consider the media to be dishonest MOST of the time. There is no question of bias....but if the media is reporting a story with video, quotes, face-to-face interviews, statistics and discussion among those who have worked in Washington, I will listen. I will watch various stations, including Fox, read articles on the subject and draw my own conclusions.
OR.....should I just believe you??
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I have said he is unfit to be president. I have not said he is "doing bad".

That he was unfit for the presidency was obvious during the campaign and he has done nothing in the two weeks since he's been sworn in that would change my mind (and many things that just further convinces me he is unfit)

Thinking he is unfit is bot the same as saying he has failed or been unsuccessful. I fully EXPECT him to fail but will withhold judgement until that time comes.
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have said he is unfit to be president. I have not said he is "doing bad".
And on that.. I rest my case
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Old January 31st, 2017, 11:06 AM   #19
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Oh, so because I posted a small piece of information (Australian) about the author, you felt compelled to nitpick my post?? Well, go for it. Have at it. Knock yourself out, but I do not consider the media to be dishonest MOST of the time. There is no question of bias....but if the media is reporting a story with video, quotes, face-to-face interviews, statistics and discussion among those who have worked in Washington, I will listen. I will watch various stations, including Fox, read articles on the subject and draw my own conclusions.
OR.....should I just believe you??
The MSM is dishonest most of the time! Because they are a. corporate-sponsored hacks and b. when they get a "breaking news" story, they start regurgitating every rumour they hear over and over again until some new "breaking news" story pops up. This is part of the reason why I avoid actual breaking news stories like the Mosque Shootings in Quebec for at least 24 hours.
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I'm no fan of Obama. If you read closely you'll see most of my posts are simply pointing out the shear and utter hypocrisy of the right.
The problem is every time the RIGHT is back in, every creep, charlatan and bagman in the Democratic Party jumps to the front of the parade and proclaims themselves as leaders of the resistance. So, when I see Debbie Wasserman Schultz on the frontline of the Women's March on Washington, I say they are already marching in the wrong direction! Now, would be the time to hold her, Chuck Schumer, Tim Caine, Mark Warner and Claire McCaskill and others feet to the fire, who...after a little finger-wagging for the cameras have approved most of Trump's cabinet appointees! Even when someone calls herself a progressive...like Elizabeth Warren, and does her best pro-Israel Warhawk impression "grilling" Mad Dog Mattis..askiing him essentially how to help him get more shit approved for the military, and even votes in favour of approving Ben Carson of all people to run HUD, I'd say she loses any cred she gained on one issue and one issue alone: banking reform.

It's up to fed up Americans what they do now with a Democratic Party that delivers so little for so much money to their constituents. You either reform the Party, and if that's not possible(which I think is likely), leave them and try to coalesce around something new, and try to put together an actual democratic election system like most countries have today.

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Case in point. Since loosing the senate in 2006, before Obama was even elected, the Republicans had started their obstructionist campaign. That first year they nearly doubled the number of filibusters. They maintained that pace until the last session of congress where they nearly doubled it again. from an average of 60 to 70 filibusters per two year session to more than 250 in the 13-14 session. Point being Obama knew walking in the front door, there was going to be NO COMPROMISE with the Republicans. Even with their man in the White House, they had already spent two years blocking every Democratic initiative. For all their braying and whining about being left out of the Obamacare process, they had already proved they weren't going to compromise. WHY would Obama think they were suddenly to change their minds ??
I've never got the impression that Obama was willing to fight for anything he wasn't personally invested in! He did some serious arm-twisting to get his affodable care act passed/but lied and faked his way through promises of a public option..cause he never intended anything that might disrupt insurance company profits. Same goes with these trade pacts...look how hard he started lobbying and talking to the public trying to put a smiley face on the TPP! I'll give Trump credit for at least being part of the protectionist camp in the oligarchy and putting it out of its misery.

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Yes I was very disturbed by the whole process. I think had Hillary and the DNC (not to mention Hillary sycophants in the the media) given Bernie a fair shake he could have beat Hillary for the nomination. As mentioned he had enormous grass roots support, but the media effectively black balled him, while at the same time covering every outrageous word that Trump spewed.

When you consider how badly the email scandal damaged Hillary, and the fact she still got nearly 3 million more votes than Trump. Had the Dems put up Bernie or almost any other candidate I think Trump would be sitting in New York crying about how the election was rigged against him.
That's why I think everyone on Team Hillary, Party insiders, politicians, and media mouthpieces like Maddow, should pay a price for the disaster! They should not be allowed to just step in now and pretend they're reformers because Trump gives them a target to focus on.
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