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Old January 31st, 2017, 11:51 AM   #21
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The MSM is dishonest most of the time! Because they are a. corporate-sponsored hacks and b. when they get a "breaking news" story, they start regurgitating every rumour they hear over and over again until some new "breaking news" story pops up. This is part of the reason why I avoid actual breaking news stories like the Mosque Shootings in Quebec for at least 24 hours.
I spend very little time watching any of the main stream media. I quit right after I first heard the word "infotainment".

When CNN was first launched they did a pretty good job of actually covering the news. They more or less followed the standard news format the networks did, except they had more time to examine the issues. They didn't need to chase ratings so much. Of course at the time everyone thought Ted Turner was nutz.

Today we have what ?? 8 national 24 hour news networks and a couple dozen local and regional networks that also run 24 hours. Everyone chasing ratings in a market that is increasingly fragmented. So they can't just report the news, now they have to have commentary, opinions, discussions all to keep us entertained while they spoon feed us a bit of actual news.

This is what elected Trump !! He played them like a Stradivarius. The more controversial, the more bombastic his words there more coverage he got on the "news". Even the channels that didn't like him covered every word he spoke for fear of losing ratings if they didn't.

90% of what we see on tv, hear on the radio and read in either news papers or magazines is controlled by about a dozen corporations. Their goal is to make money. To make money they need advertisers and to get advertisers they have to get ratings. Truth ?? The old who, what, when, and where has given way to multiple discussions about the why ??? and even worse as stories unfold, more often than not, pure unsubstantiated speculation.

Infotainment. It's a lot of noise and chatter with very little real content.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 12:15 PM   #22
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I really don't have a big problem with media presenting opinion. We used to call that editorial comment. The famous op-ed.

I keep going back to the old Manchester Guardian that morphed into The Guardian that we have now. It used to be left of Marx in it's editorial policy but it's news was neutral news and they did a lot of investigative reporting. And they very clearly separated what was news and what was opinion.

Now, the media, all media it seems very much blurs that distinction, intentionally, IMO and that is just plain wrong.

And then there are the wingnut sources on both extreme ends of the spectrum that just flat-assed lie and the aggregators that just reprint the lies.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 02:14 PM   #23
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Man, every time I read something here about Obama his approval ratings increase. How is this?

50% I understood as that is close to the % of Americans on the dole but 60%?

That one is a bit ridiculous. Then again this is from sister Clara who for months paraded her stats that all but ensured the lizard queens ascension to the throne. How the there was no mathmatical was for King Trump to succeed. Her lizardness owned the electoral collage. Next time look out as the Brat Prince will have an approval rating of some 75% and we will again be told that less than 1% of the American people are an incredible number that should be enough to overturn the election.
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Sabcat, if it elevates you to mock me--to point out my mistakes/statements/posts, then by all means......continue. I'm not going to make excuses for my posts. I post information I have read and researched and attempt to post accurate information, with sources.

As for Obama's approval rating? Here's the source: Barack Obama leaving office at 60% approval rating - UPI.com

Or if you prefer Gallup: Presidential Approval Ratings -- Barack Obama | Gallup Historical Data & Trends
He can't help it. He's a poor winner.
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Old January 31st, 2017, 02:35 PM   #25
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Does it matter where Mike Whitney lives? I haven't lived in the US for over 25 years either! But I still have family and others I keep in contact with, and I think there is an advantage to being an outside observer of the US: you're not in the fishbowl with everyone else, hearing the same rhetoric and talkingpoints over and over without any outside alternatives.

The only honest reporting done in America today is by small, fledgling internet sites and the US branches of foreign media coming from Europe, England and Russia! I'll trust RTAmerica on US coverage way more than any US networks.
Well, the resident communist sympathizers, Sabcat and coke, thanked your post. That is a sure sign something is wrong with it.

This is it: I'll trust RTAmerica on US coverage way more than any US networks.

Have you ever watched the Keiser Report? Do, if you'd like to know everything wrong with the US. Very informative. He and Paul Craig Roberts have some real man-to-man talks about the US, where all the people are totally deluded (unlike russia, btw).

You may take the time to read this: What Is Russia Today? - Columbia Journalism Review

I hope you do.
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I spend very little time watching any of the main stream media. I quit right after I first heard the word "infotainment".

When CNN was first launched they did a pretty good job of actually covering the news. They more or less followed the standard news format the networks did, except they had more time to examine the issues. They didn't need to chase ratings so much. Of course at the time everyone thought Ted Turner was nutz.

Today we have what ?? 8 national 24 hour news networks and a couple dozen local and regional networks that also run 24 hours. Everyone chasing ratings in a market that is increasingly fragmented. So they can't just report the news, now they have to have commentary, opinions, discussions all to keep us entertained while they spoon feed us a bit of actual news.

This is what elected Trump !! He played them like a Stradivarius. The more controversial, the more bombastic his words there more coverage he got on the "news". Even the channels that didn't like him covered every word he spoke for fear of losing ratings if they didn't.

90% of what we see on tv, hear on the radio and read in either news papers or magazines is controlled by about a dozen corporations. Their goal is to make money. To make money they need advertisers and to get advertisers they have to get ratings. Truth ?? The old who, what, when, and where has given way to multiple discussions about the why ??? and even worse as stories unfold, more often than not, pure unsubstantiated speculation.

Infotainment. It's a lot of noise and chatter with very little real content.
Another failure resulting from applying the capitalist business model to every endeavor.
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Old February 1st, 2017, 11:22 AM   #27
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Well, the resident communist sympathizers, Sabcat and coke, thanked your post. That is a sure sign something is wrong with it.
Really! Just on that alone? You never considered that different people, with different objectives might agree to oppose the same thing for different reasons?
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This is it: I'll trust RTAmerica on US coverage way more than any US networks.

Have you ever watched the Keiser Report? Do, if you'd like to know everything wrong with the US. Very informative. He and Paul Craig Roberts have some real man-to-man talks about the US, where all the people are totally deluded (unlike russia, btw).

You may take the time to read this: What Is Russia Today? - Columbia Journalism Review

I hope you do.
Who covered Standing Rock when private security were sicking dogs on unarmed water protectors?
CNN
MSNBC
FoxNews
or
DemocracyNow
RTAmerica
Real News Network?

If I want to be lied into wars, while no mention is given to US war crimes since 08, I'll listen to your news sources....otherwise!
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I spend very little time watching any of the main stream media. I quit right after I first heard the word "infotainment".

When CNN was first launched they did a pretty good job of actually covering the news. They more or less followed the standard news format the networks did, except they had more time to examine the issues. They didn't need to chase ratings so much. Of course at the time everyone thought Ted Turner was nutz.

Today we have what ?? 8 national 24 hour news networks and a couple dozen local and regional networks that also run 24 hours. Everyone chasing ratings in a market that is increasingly fragmented. So they can't just report the news, now they have to have commentary, opinions, discussions all to keep us entertained while they spoon feed us a bit of actual news.

This is what elected Trump !! He played them like a Stradivarius. The more controversial, the more bombastic his words there more coverage he got on the "news". Even the channels that didn't like him covered every word he spoke for fear of losing ratings if they didn't.

90% of what we see on tv, hear on the radio and read in either news papers or magazines is controlled by about a dozen corporations. Their goal is to make money. To make money they need advertisers and to get advertisers they have to get ratings. Truth ?? The old who, what, when, and where has given way to multiple discussions about the why ??? and even worse as stories unfold, more often than not, pure unsubstantiated speculation.

Infotainment. It's a lot of noise and chatter with very little real content.
I'll say the Democratic Party has 99% of the blame for electing Trump! After all, they continue to follow a policy of disregarding unions and working class people to chase Wall Street money and elite, educated professionals. If that doesn't scare up enough votes to win, that's their fault! The disparaging of lower class whites that abandoned the Dems for Trump, means the Dems have already decided they'd rather continue to play the loser/if they can get rewarded by their benefactors! The fact that they were willng to cheat and steal the nomination for their candidate, should mean the party is beyond reproach and should be abandoned for something new.

And the main reason the networks and news channels aren't reporting the news anymore is mostly because six mega-corporations own 90% of mainstream media in the US today...and they've obviously put their thumb on the scales to determine what their news divisions will/and will not report!
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Really! Just on that alone? You never considered that different people, with different objectives might agree to oppose the same thing for different reasons?
Yes RTL really. Both are Putin sympathizers.

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Who covered Standing Rock when private security were sicking dogs on unarmed water protectors?
CNN
MSNBC
FoxNews
or
DemocracyNow
RTAmerica
Real News Network?
CBS - Guards accused of unleashing dogs, pepper-spraying oil pipeline protesters - CBS News

NPR - Dakota Access Pipeline Protests In North Dakota Turn Violent : The Two-Way : NPR

The Daily Beast - Shot in the Back at Standing Rock - The Daily Beast

Huffington Post - Standing Firm At Standing Rock -- Native Americans Face Dogs And Pepper Spray To Protect Ancestral Lands | The Huffington Post

KFOR - Tribal leaders: Protesters of North Dakota pipeline pepper sprayed, bitten by dogs | KFOR.com

And Democracy Now, and a number of other outlets, the MSM noticeably missing save CBS.

Please read the link I offered earlier. RT isn't wrong 100 percent of the time. It'd be a pretty poor propaganda arm if it was. But, my wife is Russian born. She watches Russian TV, all either directly owned by the government or controlled by it.

I see "RT Uncut." The real stuff. RT is a Kremlin propaganda arm, no more honest or reliable than our MSM. Not as reliable imo.

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If I want to be lied into wars, while no mention is given to US war crimes since 08, I'll listen to your news sources....otherwise!
Oh Jesus, so you're making it into your sources against mine.....

Let me just say this about RT. That moral magnifying glass it puts on the US and the West isn't used AT ALL on Putin and his criminal friends and their criminal, i.e. stealing from Russian citizens, oligarchies. Nope, all's cool in Russia, just as RT reports it is.

Now, this is the point where probably Sabcat will come in with some fatuous GIF starring Putin ... and coke will thank him.
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Yes RTL really. Both are Putin sympathizers.



CBS - Guards accused of unleashing dogs, pepper-spraying oil pipeline protesters - CBS News

NPR - Dakota Access Pipeline Protests In North Dakota Turn Violent : The Two-Way : NPR

The Daily Beast - Shot in the Back at Standing Rock - The Daily Beast

Huffington Post - Standing Firm At Standing Rock -- Native Americans Face Dogs And Pepper Spray To Protect Ancestral Lands | The Huffington Post

KFOR - Tribal leaders: Protesters of North Dakota pipeline pepper sprayed, bitten by dogs | KFOR.com

And Democracy Now, and a number of other outlets, the MSM noticeably missing save CBS.

Please read the link I offered earlier. RT isn't wrong 100 percent of the time. It'd be a pretty poor propaganda arm if it was. But, my wife is Russian born. She watches Russian TV, all either directly owned by the government or controlled by it.

I see "RT Uncut." The real stuff. RT is a Kremlin propaganda arm, no more honest or reliable than our MSM. Not as reliable imo.



Oh Jesus, so you're making it into your sources against mine.....

Let me just say this about RT. That moral magnifying glass it puts on the US and the West isn't used AT ALL on Putin and his criminal friends and their criminal, i.e. stealing from Russian citizens, oligarchies. Nope, all's cool in Russia, just as RT reports it is.

Now, this is the point where probably Sabcat will come in with some fatuous GIF starring Putin ... and coke will thank him.
The most CBS and CNN do is post stories like this on their websites. They didn't have reporters going to the camps because their absence was noticed in small, alternative news outlets. And what the hell does shit like Daily Beast do besides comment on the news and unload spam and spyware into your browser? Huffpo does very little reporting also considering all the money they make from ads. NPR barely mentioned Standing Rock also in their news reports at the time. Perhaps because they're National Petroleum Radio today because of all the petro foundation money they're taking.

RTAmerica shows are a separate division from the Russian channels...same with their Spanish and Arabic channels. They focus on US news, and the critics of RT yack endlessly about Putin, but somehow overlook actual RT shows like Lee Camp's Redacted Tonight, Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz and Larry King...do they work for Putin also?
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