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Old January 29th, 2017, 11:58 PM   #1
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Game Over for Democrats?

Now that Donald Trump is acting on every crazy idea he spouted on the campaign trail, establishment Democrats appear to have decided change is unnecessary, and Trump will be so unpopular when he's up for re-election, that Democrats can just retread their centrist, pro-business agenda that failed so miserably when applied by Hillary Clinton this last time around. So, 2nd time is a charm? Not according to Mike Whitney, writing in Counterpunch:

Game Over for Democrats?
In 2008, the American people overwhelmingly voted for “change” in Washington. They never got it. Hence, Trump. To pretend that there’s not a straight line connecting the failed policies of Barack Obama and the subsequent rise of Donald John Trump, is to ignore the obvious and to shrug off responsibility for the situation the country is in today.

Obama created Trump, the man didn’t simply appear from the ether. Had Obama acted in good faith and kept his promises to shake up the status quo, end the foreign wars, restore civil liberties, hold Wall Street accountable or relieve the economic insecurity that working families across the country now feel, Hillary Clinton would have been a shoe-in on November 8th. As it happens, Obama made no effort to achieve any of these goals, which is why Hillary was defeated in the biggest political upset of the last century.

The point we need to underscore here, is that the Democratic leadership is responsible for Trump, not the working class people in the red states who merely did what they had to do to effect change. These people can’t be blamed for voting their own best interests. That’s what people do. Had Obama done anything to genuinely improve the economy, things might have turned out differently. But he didn’t, in fact– as popular as Obama was– a full two thirds of the American people thought the country was headed in the wrong direction. In other words, the election was a referendum on Obama’s performance as the primary steward of the US economy. Obama lost that referendum........................................ .................

.................................................. .............How about a little self-examination, eh? How about clearing out the deadwood starting with crooked Hillary and her sleazy handler, Podesta? How about committing to a vision for change that’s more than a public relations scam aimed at hoodwinking your base? How about ending the buck passing bullshit and pushing legislation that offers some relief for rampant economic insecurity, student debt, dwindling retirements, universal health care, and environmental devastation.

The Democratic party doesn’t have to be a place where progressive ideas go to die. But they’d better get it together fast or it’s going to be Game over.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 01:06 AM   #2
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I watched change come about at the state level in Georgia. The Democrats controlled the Governor's Office for over a hundred years. Then Roy Barnes made the mistake of thinking that he was invincible because he was the Democrat incumbent. Republicans came in and the state actually started doing better. No one wants to go back. I believe that President Trump succeeding on economic issues will be the nail in the coffin for Democrats.

He may not be a traditional politician but he's brought that change.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 02:34 AM   #3
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I watched change come about at the state level in Georgia. The Democrats controlled the Governor's Office for over a hundred years. Then Roy Barnes made the mistake of thinking that he was invincible because he was the Democrat incumbent. Republicans came in and the state actually started doing better. No one wants to go back. I believe that President Trump succeeding on economic issues will be the nail in the coffin for Democrats.

He may not be a traditional politician but he's brought that change.
Have you been watching, President Trump isn't succeeding on economic issues.
He's bringing "change", but it's not in the form of high paying jobs, it's coming in the form of trade wars and layoffs, and higher taxes on American workers.
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Have you been watching, President Trump isn't succeeding on economic issues.
He's bringing "change", but it's not in the form of high paying jobs, it's coming in the form of trade wars and layoffs, and higher taxes on American workers.
It's a little early to determine if Trump is succeeding or not. He's only been in office two weeks.
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Now that Donald Trump is acting on every crazy idea he spouted on the campaign trail, establishment Democrats appear to have decided change is unnecessary, and Trump will be so unpopular when he's up for re-election, that Democrats can just retread their centrist, pro-business agenda that failed so miserably when applied by Hillary Clinton this last time around. So, 2nd time is a charm? Not according to Mike Whitney, writing in Counterpunch:

Game Over for Democrats?
In 2008, the American people overwhelmingly voted for “change” in Washington. They never got it. Hence, Trump. To pretend that there’s not a straight line connecting the failed policies of Barack Obama and the subsequent rise of Donald John Trump, is to ignore the obvious and to shrug off responsibility for the situation the country is in today.

Obama created Trump, the man didn’t simply appear from the ether. Had Obama acted in good faith and kept his promises to shake up the status quo, end the foreign wars, restore civil liberties, hold Wall Street accountable or relieve the economic insecurity that working families across the country now feel, Hillary Clinton would have been a shoe-in on November 8th. As it happens, Obama made no effort to achieve any of these goals, which is why Hillary was defeated in the biggest political upset of the last century.

The point we need to underscore here, is that the Democratic leadership is responsible for Trump, not the working class people in the red states who merely did what they had to do to effect change. These people can’t be blamed for voting their own best interests. That’s what people do. Had Obama done anything to genuinely improve the economy, things might have turned out differently. But he didn’t, in fact– as popular as Obama was– a full two thirds of the American people thought the country was headed in the wrong direction. In other words, the election was a referendum on Obama’s performance as the primary steward of the US economy. Obama lost that referendum........................................ .................

.................................................. .............How about a little self-examination, eh? How about clearing out the deadwood starting with crooked Hillary and her sleazy handler, Podesta? How about committing to a vision for change that’s more than a public relations scam aimed at hoodwinking your base? How about ending the buck passing bullshit and pushing legislation that offers some relief for rampant economic insecurity, student debt, dwindling retirements, universal health care, and environmental devastation.

The Democratic party doesn’t have to be a place where progressive ideas go to die. But they’d better get it together fast or it’s going to be Game over.
Game Over for Democrats?


What nonsense! Mike Whitney (Australian) has conveniently left out some key points and has been posting his very biased political opines for years. In this particular case he's offering up a piece supposedly dedicated to the Democratic Party (which he despises) demise, while in reality bashing Obama once again.
The reader is supposed to 'buy in' to the premise that Obama was an unpopular president, even though he left the Oval office with an approval rating of 60% and we are to believe that it was the failed Obama presidency that led the voters to Trump??
AND how about the fact that Clinton won the popular vote? Or the fact that millions of voters chose to stay home or select a write-in or third-party candidates. This was an incredibly emotional election. Very few voters actually believed that Trump was qualified for the job. So the election became a poli-sci experiment. What would happen if we actually elected a business man? What would happen if we elected someone with absolutely no qualifications? What if we switched gears entirely and voted for a morally bankrupt individual who acts like a five year old? So the voters held their nose and checked the Trump box.
As for the Democrats? I'll admit we've got some work to do--some soul searching--but historically presidential elections are circuitous. In the last two decades we've gone from a Dem president to a GOP president to a Dem president and now back to a GOP president---although we know Trump is NOT a conservative. IN fact, most of us have no idea WHAT he is. A fluke??
So here's what's going to happen and it's pretty predictable to anyone except Mike Whitney. Trump will serve ONE term. While he is serving the Democratic Party, LED BY BARACK Obama, will dig deep. They will pull together their senior statesmen and begin the come back. It is time to find the next president. AND we will be back. As Mark Twain said in 1915: “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” AND so it is with the Democratic Party.
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Now that Donald Trump is acting on every crazy idea he spouted on the campaign trail, establishment Democrats appear to have decided change is unnecessary, and Trump will be so unpopular when he's up for re-election, that Democrats can just retread their centrist, pro-business agenda that failed so miserably when applied by Hillary Clinton this last time around. So, 2nd time is a charm? Not according to Mike Whitney, writing in Counterpunch:

Game Over for Democrats?
In 2008, the American people overwhelmingly voted for “change” in Washington. They never got it. Hence, Trump. To pretend that there’s not a straight line connecting the failed policies of Barack Obama and the subsequent rise of Donald John Trump, is to ignore the obvious and to shrug off responsibility for the situation the country is in today.

Obama created Trump, the man didn’t simply appear from the ether. Had Obama acted in good faith and kept his promises to shake up the status quo, end the foreign wars, restore civil liberties, hold Wall Street accountable or relieve the economic insecurity that working families across the country now feel, Hillary Clinton would have been a shoe-in on November 8th. As it happens, Obama made no effort to achieve any of these goals, which is why Hillary was defeated in the biggest political upset of the last century.

The point we need to underscore here, is that the Democratic leadership is responsible for Trump, not the working class people in the red states who merely did what they had to do to effect change. These people can’t be blamed for voting their own best interests. That’s what people do. Had Obama done anything to genuinely improve the economy, things might have turned out differently. But he didn’t, in fact– as popular as Obama was– a full two thirds of the American people thought the country was headed in the wrong direction. In other words, the election was a referendum on Obama’s performance as the primary steward of the US economy. Obama lost that referendum........................................ .................

.................................................. .............How about a little self-examination, eh? How about clearing out the deadwood starting with crooked Hillary and her sleazy handler, Podesta? How about committing to a vision for change that’s more than a public relations scam aimed at hoodwinking your base? How about ending the buck passing bullshit and pushing legislation that offers some relief for rampant economic insecurity, student debt, dwindling retirements, universal health care, and environmental devastation.

The Democratic party doesn’t have to be a place where progressive ideas go to die. But they’d better get it together fast or it’s going to be Game over.
Game Over for Democrats?
Two things:

1. They said the same thing about Republicans in 2008.

How did that work out again?

2. Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump did, and Democrats got 12 million more votes for Congress.

No doubt he must think Trump is a popular President sailing towards a second term.
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The article leaves out a couple of very important points. While bashing Obama for "not getting things done" it completely ignores the Republican's obstructionism. They have set the record for filibusters. They have even shot down some of their own bills. Frank Dodd may not have been a very good answer to Wall Street's abuses, but it tried. Not only have the republicans NOT sought to make it better, they've tried to take what few teeth it actually has.

As for the election, Hillary was just a bad candidate. Too much baggage. Too compromised. And many loyal Dems were rightly pissed at the screwing she gave Bernie. Let's not ignore the media's role here. Even those agencies opposed to Trump gave him unprecedented coverage. The more outrageous the comments, the more air time it generated. Trump didn't need to advertise because the media became his defacto ad agency. Some one did a study, in one two week period, Trump averaged more than an hour of coverage, while Hillary averaged 30 to 40 minute. Bernie ?? About one minute, even tho at the time his rallies were hosting more people than either Hillary or Trump, in some cases combined.


I think almost anybody but Hillary would have mopped the floor with Trump.

Let's see where he is in two years.
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It's a little early to determine if Trump is succeeding or not. He's only been in office two weeks.
Yet, its early enough for you and the other lefties to say he is doing bad. Ironic
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Two things:

1. They said the same thing about Republicans in 2008.

How did that work out again?

2. Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump did, and Democrats got 12 million more votes for Congress.

No doubt he must think Trump is a popular President sailing towards a second term.
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Old January 30th, 2017, 11:27 AM   #10
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The article leaves out a couple of very important points. While bashing Obama for "not getting things done" it completely ignores the Republican's obstructionism. They have set the record for filibusters. They have even shot down some of their own bills. Frank Dodd may not have been a very good answer to Wall Street's abuses, but it tried. Not only have the republicans NOT sought to make it better, they've tried to take what few teeth it actually has.
You're leaving out that Obama had two years with a Democratic majority and rather than try anything really bold, preferred to punt away the football (just like Billy did when he took over in 92) rather than put major campaign promises like the Employee Free Choice Act and a 'public option' or Medicare buy-in to be offered along with a middle of the road health insurance reform package. It was Obama's mistake to not understand he didn't have a dealmaker in the new GOP majority like Newt Gingrich; so he had no one to make unseemly deals with...that included an offer to freeze and eventually privatize Social Security. Republicans were in no mood for Republican-light, even when a centrist corporate Democrat offers them Republican policies!

So, all I can say is people on the left better start now looking at the issues/instead of fawning bullshit hero worship every time they start following a favorite candidate!
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As for the election, Hillary was just a bad candidate. Too much baggage. Too compromised. And many loyal Dems were rightly pissed at the screwing she gave Bernie. Let's not ignore the media's role here. Even those agencies opposed to Trump gave him unprecedented coverage. The more outrageous the comments, the more air time it generated. Trump didn't need to advertise because the media became his defacto ad agency. Some one did a study, in one two week period, Trump averaged more than an hour of coverage, while Hillary averaged 30 to 40 minute. Bernie ?? About one minute, even tho at the time his rallies were hosting more people than either Hillary or Trump, in some cases combined.


I think almost anybody but Hillary would have mopped the floor with Trump.

Let's see where he is in two years.
No kidding Hillary was a bad candidate! And who cheated and forced Hillary through as the Democratic choice? Mostly the same people screaming and trying to divert attention from the obvious facts behind Podesta Leaks and DNC Leaks: it doesn't matter a crap whether the leaks came from Russian hackers or were leaked deliberately by unhappy insiders; but the screaming and evidence-empty case the CIA and other spy agencies claim to have against Putin, has just been a diversion accepted by the Democratic establishment and their media to hide the corruption going on inside a party that is still trying to cover up and run corporate sponsored candidates as the opposition to Trump.

Most people(whether they are inside or outside the Democratic Party) are demanding something better than the crap they've been served for several decades now, and the Dems may still lose if they again have nothing to offer to working class people in America.
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