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Old June 24th, 2017, 09:18 PM   #11
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This one is a bit more complex. Applying the sanctions to the letter would stop the construction of a gas pipeline from Russia that Europe badly needs to ensure sufficient gas for power and industry.

Importing LNG is much more expensive and would require a large amount of additional infrastructure, bringing the gas from a port to where it is needed.
Its not that complex. Merkel has already indicated she can not depend on the United States to defend Germany from the made up big bad Russian wolf. Now she is understanding that the Russian wolf is nothing but a figment of a bunch of defense contractors imaginations designed to make money for the MIC. Sending troops to Poland along the border was a last ditch attempt by President Obama to shore up the neo-liberals.
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Old June 24th, 2017, 10:48 PM   #12
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Please post this evidance.

Not something you heard from a russian spy, or heard it from a friend who, heard it from another.
Absolutely not. No one is your cat toy. The info is out there. It's not secret. If you didn't live your life in a state of non-stop confirmation bias, you wouldn't be asking someone to provide you with evidence that you've seen but have dismissed.

You've been duped, or else you're a mole.
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Old June 24th, 2017, 10:55 PM   #13
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Its not that complex. Merkel has already indicated she can not depend on the United States to defend Germany from the made up big bad Russian wolf. Now she is understanding that the Russian wolf is nothing but a figment of a bunch of defense contractors imaginations designed to make money for the MIC. Sending troops to Poland along the border was a last ditch attempt by President Obama to shore up the neo-liberals.
Putin ALREADY has weaponized natural gas by threatening to cut off Ukraine which would affect a good portion of Western Europe.

Actually, in 2006 he did cut off gas to Ukraine.
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Old June 25th, 2017, 10:58 AM   #14
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Putin ALREADY has weaponized natural gas by threatening to cut off Ukraine which would affect a good portion of Western Europe.

Actually, in 2006 he did cut off gas to Ukraine.
That is politics. What is the difference in the United States refusing to export oil for decades and Putin not exporting natural gas? Whose natural gas is it? Whose territory does it lay in? Weaponized? You got something I want, what do I need to get it. That is not weaponizing that is called trade. Unless you are thinking that resources should be shared free of charge by all nations or some other new world order garbage.
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Clinton or Trump wasn't penning to win election 2016 ??
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Was Trump wrong elect president for all Europeans ??
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Old June 25th, 2017, 04:01 PM   #17
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Absolutely not. No one is your cat toy. The info is out there. It's not secret. If you didn't live your life in a state of non-stop confirmation bias, you wouldn't be asking someone to provide you with evidence that you've seen but have dismissed.

You've been duped, or else you're a mole.
It does not exist. You have been duped. You have been spouting this conspiracy theory like a good little neo con ever since you realized that Clinton would not be using American lives and money to fight a battle that our nation has no interest in. You have NEVER posted any evidance on this matter because you know that it does not exist.
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Putin ALREADY has weaponized natural gas by threatening to cut off Ukraine which would affect a good portion of Western Europe.

Actually, in 2006 he did cut off gas to Ukraine.
Not an American problem.
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That is politics. What is the difference in the United States refusing to export oil for decades and Putin not exporting natural gas? Whose natural gas is it? Whose territory does it lay in? Weaponized? You got something I want, what do I need to get it. That is not weaponizing that is called trade. Unless you are thinking that resources should be shared free of charge by all nations or some other new world order garbage.
When the Soviet Union collapsed I thought we had a prime opportunity to create much friendlier Russia. What would have been the long term benefits of treating Russia the way we treated both Japan and Germany after WW2.

Russia has enormous resources, most of it uncataloged or surveyed. Possibly 10 times more oil than the entire middle east. Billions of acres of virgin timber, are just a couple of examples. What if had made them a prime trading partner like China ??
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That is politics. What is the difference in the United States refusing to export oil for decades and Putin not exporting natural gas? Whose natural gas is it? Whose territory does it lay in? Weaponized? You got something I want, what do I need to get it. That is not weaponizing that is called trade. Unless you are thinking that resources should be shared free of charge by all nations or some other new world order garbage.
As one of their more stupid acts, Europeans are quite dependent on Russian gas. Russia - a net exporter - cutting off Ukraine, and Europe, can't be compared to the US - a net importer - not exporting oil.

You've made some incorrect assumptions. No, I don't believe that resources should be shared free of charge by all nations or some other new world order garbage. Sorry.
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