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Old June 25th, 2017, 10:05 PM   #21
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It does not exist. You have been duped. You have been spouting this conspiracy theory like a good little neo con ever since you realized that Clinton would not be using American lives and money to fight a battle that our nation has no interest in. You have NEVER posted any evidance on this matter because you know that it does not exist.
Bullshit.

Evidence is mounting that Russia took 4 clear paths to meddle in the US election

New details of Russia election hacking raise questions about Obama's response

The truth about Russia, 'hacking' and the 2016 election

Obama’s secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin’s election assault

Evidence exists. Putin tried. And whether his efforts succeeded in changing one vote or deleting one eligible voter, he nonetheless succeeded.

Americans faith and trust in our institutions have been shaken. We've never been at each others' throats as we are now. At the same time, many Americans are willing to trust a guy who murders his political opponents.
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Not an American problem.
Who said it was?
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When the Soviet Union collapsed I thought we had a prime opportunity to create much friendlier Russia. What would have been the long term benefits of treating Russia the way we treated both Japan and Germany after WW2.

Russia has enormous resources, most of it uncataloged or surveyed. Possibly 10 times more oil than the entire middle east. Billions of acres of virgin timber, are just a couple of examples. What if had made them a prime trading partner like China ??
When GW decided to go rogue cowboy and invade Iraq, Putin decided a unipolar world wasn't to his liking or Russia's best interests.
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How Putin Is Singing Along With the Trump White House

Whether or not Donald Trump’s campaign colluded in any way with the Kremlin to interfere in the 2016 presidential election remains an open question. Yet the Trump White House and the Kremlin do at times seem to share an approach to spreading misinformation and undermining confidence in news reports.

...As Trump and his associates have run with false stories stemming from Russian media outlets, Putin’s government appears to have taken pains to echo messaging coming from the White House—perhaps in an attempt to play to the upheaval over the Russia scandal and sow further doubts and division among the American public. Here are some prime examples:

Repeated assertions about a “witch hunt”: Trump has repeatedly taken to Twitter to call the investigation into Russian election interference a “witch hunt,” including again in recent days: “I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt,” he wrote on June 16. This has been a go-to phrase for Kremlin officials as well.... In January, when top US intelligence officials concurred on Russian interference in the election, Trump told the New York Times that the focus on Russia was “a political witch hunt.” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov responded to the report: “It truly is reminiscent of a witch hunt.”

Talk of private-citizen hackers: Putin at first repeatedly insisted that Russia did not interfere in the US election, but more recently he changed his message conspicuously, acknowledging that the hacking may have been executed by “patriotically minded” Russians. ...Trump’s earlier [said] that the attacks on the Democratic National Committee could have been carried out by “somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds.”

Attempts to discredit election interference: At a press conference this spring, Putin dismissed allegations that Russia interfered in US elections as “rumors used in an American domestic political battle.” And on NBC, when Kelly pointed out that US intelligence agencies had concluded that Russia was behind the election hacks, Putin said they were “misled.” Trump has repeatedly discounted intelligence agencies’ findings on Russian interference, blaming the Democrats for spreading the story because they are “sore losers.”

A notable change on climate change: Putin has even changed his tune on climate change—aligning himself more closely with Trump (who has himself changed positions over the years). In 2015, Putin told a Paris audience that “climate change has become one of the most serious challenges facing humanity.” But this spring—soon after the White House announced that Trump was considering pulling the United States out of the Paris climate accord—Putin told a Russian audience:, “The warming had already started by the 1930s. That’s when there were no such anthropological factors, such emissions, and the warming had already started.” On June 1, Trump announced he would withdraw from the agreement. Putin’s response to Trump’s move: “Don’t worry, be happy.”

Hammering away at “fake news”: Since being sworn in as president, Trump has lashed out at the media scores of times, emphasizing recently, “Fake News is at an all time high!” In May, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova picked up on the theme, calling news that Trump had shared classified information with Russians in the Oval Office “the latest fake.” ...In Putin’s one-on-one with NBC’s Kelly, he scoffed at American media coverage of contact between Trump associates and Russian officials, claiming that the reported meetings never happened: “You people are so creative,” Putin said.
You people....

How Putin Is Singing Along With the Trump White House ? Mother Jones
We got bigger fish to fry than Putin. Yesterday, ISIS threatened to attack Ohio and I don't take threats lightly.
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As one of their more stupid acts, Europeans are quite dependent on Russian gas. Russia - a net exporter - cutting off Ukraine, and Europe, can't be compared to the US - a net importer - not exporting oil.

You've made some incorrect assumptions. No, I don't believe that resources should be shared free of charge by all nations or some other new world order garbage. Sorry.
I am sorry, but the United States oil consumption is made up of only 25% imported oil. That is not being a net importer. I did not assume, I stated "unless", in which you stated your position in reply.
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When the Soviet Union collapsed I thought we had a prime opportunity to create much friendlier Russia. What would have been the long term benefits of treating Russia the way we treated both Japan and Germany after WW2.

Russia has enormous resources, most of it uncataloged or surveyed. Possibly 10 times more oil than the entire middle east. Billions of acres of virgin timber, are just a couple of examples. What if had made them a prime trading partner like China ??
I believe we the United States has done enough creating in regards to other governments. Do you think we should have tried to influence Russian politics or elections?
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I believe we the United States has done enough creating in regards to other governments. Do you think we should have tried to influence Russian politics or elections?
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I am sorry, but the United States oil consumption is made up of only 25% imported oil. That is not being a net importer. I did not assume, I stated "unless", in which you stated your position in reply.
A country either is a net importer or exporter.

The US is a net importer. We import more than we export.
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A country either is a net importer or exporter.

The US is a net importer. We import more than we export.
2016, the US averaged production of 8.8 million bbls/d of oil.

That year the US averaged consumption of 19.6 million bbls/d.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd...c_mbblpd_a.htm

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I believe we the United States has done enough creating in regards to other governments. Do you think we should have tried to influence Russian politics or elections?


THAT seems to be your argument for every topic that comes up. The U.S. DID IT TOO--DID IT FIRST--DOES IT MORE--WILL DO IT AGAIN....and so on.

AND what a question?? Of course the U.S. shouldn't try to meddle in Russian politics or elections. Again--NOT THE POINT.

Russia is not our friend. Putin is not our friend. He is a murdering thug--a dictator posing as a president. Putin is dangerous to our nation and other nations....and he's a lot smarter and more experienced than Trump, who has been played like a cat with a catnip toy. When is Trump going to acknowledge this??
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