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Old January 31st, 2018, 06:09 PM   #21
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Dr. Strangelove, I presume?

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Well I for one would never want to see nukes used, however developing low yield nukes, may be a good place to start ratcheting back the possibility.
The bad ol' USSR never recognized the US strategic argument that we would carefully phase in the use of tactical nuclear weapons without going automatically to strategic nuclear weapons. The Soviets & the Warsaw Pact always maintained that they would treat any use of nuclear weapons as a strategic escalation, & would respond accordingly. (Soviet military doctrine was overwhelming force in the attack.) (US military strategic doctrine was that we would not be the first to use nuclear weapons.)

CIS Pres. Putin was a lifer in the KGB, he made Lt. Col. He was precisely in the department that watched foreigners, & especially watched for people who could be suborned, blackmailed, or otherwise made to serve the USSR. The KGB were killers, among their other duties.

Low-yield nukes would likely be more destabilizing than not, as CIS field commanders would face having to use or lose their assets. You truly don't want a nervous field commander launching on warning, especially ICBMs.
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Old February 1st, 2018, 09:09 AM   #22
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Didn't someone like, really smart say words to the effect of "why have nuclear weapons if you don't use them?"
Yeah, every US president since Harry Truman!
Daniel Ellsberg: United States Nearly Used Nukes During Vietnam War

If there is one good thing about Trump, it's that he comes unfiltered and says out loud what discreet and well-mannered presidents only said behind closed doors in the past.

For me, this is similar to the Shitholes foofah that went on for weeks as the pearl-clutching liberal establishment expressed their dismay over Trump's shitholes references to black nations BUT said nothing about previous presidents who quietly managed the imperial policies of resource extraction and debt-loading which turned them into shitholes in the first place!
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Old February 1st, 2018, 09:21 AM   #23
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The bad ol' USSR never recognized the US strategic argument that we would carefully phase in the use of tactical nuclear weapons without going automatically to strategic nuclear weapons. The Soviets & the Warsaw Pact always maintained that they would treat any use of nuclear weapons as a strategic escalation, & would respond accordingly. (Soviet military doctrine was overwhelming force in the attack.) (US military strategic doctrine was that we would not be the first to use nuclear weapons.)

CIS Pres. Putin was a lifer in the KGB, he made Lt. Col. He was precisely in the department that watched foreigners, & especially watched for people who could be suborned, blackmailed, or otherwise made to serve the USSR. The KGB were killers, among their other duties.

Low-yield nukes would likely be more destabilizing than not, as CIS field commanders would face having to use or lose their assets. You truly don't want a nervous field commander launching on warning, especially ICBMs.
Russia's entire military budgets fit inside the 80 billion dollar "Defense" increases approved by so called "resistance" Democrats! So, it shouldn't be any surprise that they're not going to play expensive multitrillion dollar games like developing mininukes and a range of carrier systems to deliver them.

The latest unconfirmed scuttlebutt is that leaked information(I would assume deliberately leaked) is that Russia is building super-100 megaton nuclear warheads that would level hundreds of miles of territory and unmanned subs to sail off of US Atlantic and Pacific coasts waiting for the triggering events to deliver the doomsday device....I hope 'sensible' feels better now about nuclear "strength and deterence" policies!
Russia responds to US anti-missile system with a 100-megaton nuclear monster - RussiaFeed
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For me, this is similar to the Shitholes foofah that went on for weeks as the pearl-clutching liberal establishment expressed their dismay over Trump's shitholes references to black nations BUT said nothing about ...
Interesting phrase, I don't remember seeing it before. From what I found on the 'Net, it's a phrase mostly aimed @ & used by women. The targets are women who wear pearl necklaces (or think/react like them, I suppose) - which makes me think of the women of Leave it to Beaver & etc. Is that what's intended?
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Old February 1st, 2018, 09:26 AM   #25
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Bill Clinton shut down the Savannah River Plant which was the only place Tritium was made in the US. Tritium puts the bang in the buck of a thermonuke. I hope Trump starts up Tritium production again. Tritium has a half life of three years and a thermonuke needs the Tritium Plug changed every three years. Wackenhut was security at Savannah River Plant.
OR why not work for a complete ban and moratorium on the development and use of nuclear weapons...as all of the signers(including the US) of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty promised...and so far have mostly reneged on. Until the American Empire gives up wars-for-profit and building weapons for profit, the entire world is at the risk of being snuffed out without a moments notice!
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Self defense, and common sense, is not fear.
Expecting a war is living in fear. Reacting to an actual attack is defense. We did not live in fear of an attack until the military technology of WWII, and it was not until the USSR had nuclear capability and sent Sputnik around the world that we took the threat of war seriously. Then for a long time the only nation we feared was the USSR.

The National Defense Education Act in 1958 replaced what Eisenhower called our domestic education with education for a military and industrial purpose, following Sputnik. It was supposed to last only 4 years, but the change became permanent with serious social, economic and political ramifications. We stopped transmitting our culture and prepared our young for the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us against.

When the USSR folded it was ingenious of the neo con's to sell us on the idea of a war on terrorism and continue increasing our military power to defend our economic interest, exactly as our world war two enemy did, cutting domestic spending and pouring money into military spending.

Being against a return to the nuclear arms race is also a stand against what has been done to our democracy. We are what we fought against, and it is time to just say no to the fear mongering and military build up, and take back our education and return to defending the democracy we inherited from our forefathers, and the people of the enlightenment. To be great again is to return to that democracy, not being what we defended our democracy against.

Drop the fear. That is not what our country was about.
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Old February 1st, 2018, 11:16 AM   #27
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OR why not work for a complete ban and moratorium on the development and use of nuclear weapons...as all of the signers(including the US) of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty promised...and so far have mostly reneged on. Until the American Empire gives up wars-for-profit and building weapons for profit, the entire world is at the risk of being snuffed out without a moments notice!
Obviously, some here do not know what you are talking. Let us correct this problem.

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Ally Nation Sues United States for Nuclear Treaty Violations
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Apr 24, 2014 - April 24, 2014 –San Francisco, CA — The Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) today filed an unprecedented lawsuit in the U.S. Federal District Court in San Francisco to hold the United States government accountable for its flagrant violations of the international nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
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US Violates Non-Proliferation Treaty With Nuclear Bombs in Germany ...
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Sep 26, 2015 - New York Director of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation Alice Slater claims that the United States continues to violate the Non-Proliferation Treaty's prohibition of sharing nuclear weapons with non-nuclear weapons states by stationing nuclear bombs in five NATO member nations. WASHINGTON (Sputnik) ...

Eisenhower warned us against this after his administration put the military industrial complex in place. I wish people who cared would join me in a trip to the U of O document department and read the documents for themselves. During that period of time, a new relationship was established between research and government. Unfortunately, disease is no longer seen as a serious threat to our safety that we need to defend against, and the money goes to military research like more destructive nuclear weapons instead medical research.

A new relationship between government and the media was established, giving our government the power to control political hype. Reagan's use of research and media lead to scapegoating the poor for a poor economy when the real problem was OPEC banning oil to the western powers. As the Germans once did, domestic budgets were slashed and we poured money into military spending, including granting arms and military training to Saddam and Bin Laden. We saw this control of media again when Bush invaded Iraq.

Our democracy is in trouble and I hope people care enough to look into that.
No one man running for the presidency can stop the US from being a belligerent and make our nation good with the world by keeping our promises.
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Old February 1st, 2018, 11:36 AM   #28
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Here is interesting youtube information about nuclear testing. I didn't realize how committed Israel is to being a nuclear power. The activity between Russa and the US is there for any interested person to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lquok4Pdk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPicNmkkH_g

Russia responds to US anti-missile system with a 100-megaton nuclear monster - RussiaFeed
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Old February 2nd, 2018, 10:25 AM   #29
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Here is interesting youtube information about nuclear testing. I didn't realize how committed Israel is to being a nuclear power. The activity between Russa and the US is there for any interested person to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lquok4Pdk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPicNmkkH_g

Russia responds to US anti-missile system with a 100-megaton nuclear monster - RussiaFeed
The rumors of a Russian doomsday weapon are likely based in fact because the old Soviet strategy dealing with the increasingly costly Cold War was to concentrate on larger H-bombs rather than imitate the US strategy of building numerous smaller warheads. It would be foolish for any of these idiot generals advising Trump, to believe that they can launch mini-nukes and win any kind of nuclear war with Russia and China!

The supernuke comes by way of drone sub delivery systems, and show that Russia has its own deadhand system to threaten the US if they try to launch a nuclear first strike and think they can live afterwards! It's about time people started paying attention to the nuclear-sword of Damocles hanging above everyone's heads.

As I've said before: the good thing about Trump, is that having a bizarre, volatile president in charge, makes more people consider what happens if things go wrong. This seemed to never be open for consideration when Obama was in the White House and no liberal talking heads anywhere were voicing any concern about his announced 10 year strategy to spend more than a trillion to upgrade America's nukes and delivery systems.

When you get a moron talking about the size of his red button, that at least makes a lot more people think of the consequnces! But, disaster awaits as long as this crap goes on, regardless of how popular or nice sounding the leaders are!
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right to left, what do think should happen? It seems to me the more nukes are developed, the more the opposing side is pushed to do the same thing. If we stop doing this, then it stops, or would Russia continue to work on stronger and stronger nukes and better delivery systems?

I may be wrong, but I think intentionally working for world peace is the best way to go?
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