Political Forums  

Go Back   Defending The Truth Political Forum > Political Forum > Politicians

Politicians For topics and discussions about politicians, political leaders, or political figures


Thanks Tree44Thanks
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old February 14th, 2018, 06:59 AM   #71
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,520
I am glad people are opposed to nuclear build up. If we do not want this we need to write our representatives and let them know that, and write letters to the editors. Make the youtube videos about nuclear war available to people you know. Keep the conversation going.

Another conversation might be having a spiritual connection with our planet so we see protecting it as our priority. We all die, but hopefully, we will not kill our planet. If we saw our immorality as connected with our planet, then perhaps we would be less concerned about our own personal deaths and more concerned with the health of our precious planet.
Thanks from Twisted Sister
Athena is offline  
Old February 14th, 2018, 07:07 AM   #72
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,520
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoosier88 View Post
nation building? Didn't I just see an estimate of $89 billions to repair the war damage in Iraq? Seriously, the days of the US offloading pallet loads of cash in Iraq are long gone - that estimate isn't being touched by anyone, as far as I can tell. It's expensive to build up a nation brick by brick - if that was the point of the exercise, we should have left S. Hussein in charge there - he was doing a lot of the economic/educational/health stuff we wanted, as long as no one took up political stances against him.

The references are to Jong-un's sister - or whatever she is to him? I don't follow any of that, it's too fine-grained for me, & I figure the Olympics are Show Biz - nothing to take seriously - except perhaps as a coming-out party for the nation that hosts them. Yah, I'm sure Jong-un wants to unify Korea - @ bayonet-point, just like his father & grandfather (was it?)

Yes, we (the West) have let NK operate their little lemonade stand for a long time - too long, likely. It's a nice one, too. It'd be a shame if something were to happen to it ...
Why would Jong-un want to unite Korea? What good does he think he could do? Why does he think he is the best suited to be a leader? I wonder how Carter would answer these questions. As far as I know, he is the only one who has attempted the necessary conversation. That is wrong. Democracy is about rule by reason, not rule by Trump or Jong-un. What is the reasoning? We if we hammered our media for answers to these questions. What if we demanded information instead of passively accepting whatever propaganda is given to us?
Athena is offline  
Old February 14th, 2018, 07:19 AM   #73
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: NM
Posts: 1,708
I am become Death, the shatterer of worlds.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Athena View Post
I am glad people are opposed to nuclear build up. If we do not want this we need to write our representatives and let them know that, and write letters to the editors. Make the youtube videos about nuclear war available to people you know. Keep the conversation going.

Another conversation might be having a spiritual connection with our planet so we see protecting it as our priority. We all die, but hopefully, we will not kill our planet. If we saw our immorality as connected with our planet, then perhaps we would be less concerned about our own personal deaths and more concerned with the health of our precious planet.
Yah, nuclear weapons work (& most fission power reactors, TMK) is dirty, messy, dangerous work - with radioactive byproducts that have to be isolated from the biosphere for long terms.

I think the best key for convincing polities not to pursue nuclear weapons is the responsibility to our children. If that doesn't move people, I don't know what will. Maybe an ethical concern for all life, but if someone isn't aware of closer familial responsibilities along those lines, they might not care enough about a more abstract communal responsibility.

But we need to make the effort anyway - species are dying around the World @ an accelerating rate, & it's not clear where the tipping point is - if we remove or degrade too many key species (bees, bats, frogs, snakes, commercial mainstay fish, etc.) @ what point does the equilibrium of the biosphere shatter.
Thanks from imaginethat
hoosier88 is offline  
Old February 14th, 2018, 07:29 AM   #74
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: NM
Posts: 1,708
The Will to power, most likely

Quote:
Originally Posted by Athena View Post
Why would Jong-un want to unite Korea? What good does he think he could do? Why does he think he is the best suited to be a leader? I wonder how Carter would answer these questions. As far as I know, he is the only one who has attempted the necessary conversation. That is wrong. Democracy is about rule by reason, not rule by Trump or Jong-un. What is the reasoning? We if we hammered our media for answers to these questions. What if we demanded information instead of passively accepting whatever propaganda is given to us?
Jong-un? He probably thinks he could do a lot more damage in the World if he had the resources of S. Korea to squander. He's likely right, & that's one of the reasons that the US, Japan & China (& possibly the CIS) aren't likely to allow that. SK is a China, US & Japanese trading partner, & has ores (tungsten, molybdenum) that we're interested in.
hoosier88 is offline  
Old February 14th, 2018, 07:45 AM   #75
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,520
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoosier88 View Post
Yah, nuclear weapons work (& most fission power reactors, TMK) is dirty, messy, dangerous work - with radioactive byproducts that have to be isolated from the biosphere for long terms.

I think the best key for convincing polities not to pursue nuclear weapons is the responsibility to our children. If that doesn't move people, I don't know what will. Maybe an ethical concern for all life, but if someone isn't aware of closer familial responsibilities along those lines, they might not care enough about a more abstract communal responsibility.

But we need to make the effort anyway - species are dying around the World @ an accelerating rate, & it's not clear where the tipping point is - if we remove or degrade too many key species (bees, bats, frogs, snakes, commercial mainstay fish, etc.) @ what point does the equilibrium of the biosphere shatter.
For some of us, this is about having a sense of purpose. I would hate living without a sense of purpose. How can anyone tolerate a life that is devoid of a sense of purpose? I am afraid people with no sense of purpose are more attempt to destroy the planet.
Athena is offline  
Old February 14th, 2018, 08:12 AM   #76
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,520
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoosier88 View Post
Jong-un? He probably thinks he could do a lot more damage in the World if he had the resources of S. Korea to squander. He's likely right, & that's one of the reasons that the US, Japan & China (& possibly the CIS) aren't likely to allow that. SK is a China, US & Japanese trading partner, & has ores (tungsten, molybdenum) that we're interested in.
I can not accept that negative statement about Jong-un because what you said he thinks has no validity. You projected your own thoughts into what you think Jong-un thinks. I think we have to be careful about projecting our thinking into what we think others think. Humans seem so prone to projecting the evil in their own heads into others, and then they justify doing wrong to the other. When we are speaking of war and nuclear weapons, we seriously need to avoid that.

And to avoid war, we need to know what another is thinking and it is important the other know what we are thinking. There must be open and ongoing discussion. The rulers of countries need to do what the founding fathers of the US did.

The founding fathers of the US were highly opinionated men who had a serious problem agreeing on anything. Their wives convinced them they needed to socialize. After they began having dinners together and socializing with each other, they started coming to agreement on issues. All the world leaders need to socialize with each other and they need to work on developing good relationships with each other. Screaming "I am going to blow you up if you don't do as I say you must do", is not how to have a reality based on reason. Ignoring someone until he says "I am going to blow you up if you don't acknowledge me as a leader equal to you", is not how to have a reality based on reason. God, our leaders are being so stupid and in the meantime, we are spending billions of dollar on war and weapons. How stupid is that?!

Last edited by Athena; February 14th, 2018 at 08:17 AM.
Athena is offline  
Old February 14th, 2018, 08:43 AM   #77
Senior Member
 
Twisted Sister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Brown Township, Ohio
Posts: 11,623
Quote:
Originally Posted by Athena View Post
I am glad people are opposed to nuclear build up. If we do not want this we need to write our representatives and let them know that, and write letters to the editors. Make the youtube videos about nuclear war available to people you know. Keep the conversation going.

Another conversation might be having a spiritual connection with our planet so we see protecting it as our priority. We all die, but hopefully, we will not kill our planet. If we saw our immorality as connected with our planet, then perhaps we would be less concerned about our own personal deaths and more concerned with the health of our precious planet.
Have a spiritual conversation with a nuclear weapon. Slap the danged thing like I did. I did that to let it know who is boss. It had a rubber boot on the warhead so slapping it caused very little pain.
Twisted Sister is offline  
Old February 14th, 2018, 09:00 AM   #78
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: NM
Posts: 1,708
The enemy of my enemy is ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Athena View Post
I can not accept that negative statement about Jong-un because what you said he thinks has no validity. You projected your own thoughts into what you think Jong-un thinks. I think we have to be careful about projecting our thinking into what we think others think. Humans seem so prone to projecting the evil in their own heads into others, and then they justify doing wrong to the other. When we are speaking of war and nuclear weapons, we seriously need to avoid that.

And to avoid war, we need to know what another is thinking and it is important the other know what we are thinking. There must be open and ongoing discussion. The rulers of countries need to do what the founding fathers of the US did.

...
Yah. If men were angels, any kind of government (would one even be needed?) would work. My opinion of Jong-un is based on observation - he's a chubby little guy, in a country where most of the population (per stats & interviews with N. Koreans, people fleeing to China, S. Korea) is starving, in poor health, suffering various trace element deficiencies, & generally mired in a very low-producing economy.

NK is a tough intel target - hardly anyone gets in & out. & so we wind up relying upon indirect means, as noted above. It's not much, but it's all we have; & based on that, Jong-un is a nasty piece of work. It may be possible to ally with him - as we did with Stalin in WWII (after Hitler invaded the USSR) - but absent some existential threat to both parties, I don't think we're going to get very far on diplomacy with NK under Jong-un.
hoosier88 is offline  
Old February 14th, 2018, 03:02 PM   #79
Senior Member
 
roastpork's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 8,608
Athena, we could take out the North Korean gov. using conventional arms. we don't have to use Nukes. We still need to build up our military, in order to ensure success. We have let this evil empire exist for way too many years. Now we finally have a President who "gets it". Sure there will probably be many causalities, but that's the prive we must pay for "kicking the can down the road" for the last 50 or so years.
roastpork is offline  
Old February 15th, 2018, 06:54 AM   #80
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,520
Quote:
Originally Posted by hoosier88 View Post
Yah. If men were angels, any kind of government (would one even be needed?) would work.
Government would be needed no matter how perfect we are, just as a Mercedes needs a regulating system. Perfection does not mean there can be a lack of order and regulation. In a democracy, the government and its institutions are the responsibility of citizens, and those citizens need to know a lot to be sure things are running the way they should be running. There are many who hold the philosophy that life is too complex to leave this responsibility to citizens, and these folks believe a government should be an authority over the people.

Quote:
My opinion of Jong-un is based on observation - he's a chubby little guy, in a country where most of the population (per stats & interviews with N. Koreans, people fleeing to China, S. Korea) is starving, in poor health, suffering various trace element deficiencies, & generally mired in a very low-producing economy.
What is the cause of these problems? I have noticed from time to time our economy crashes and then we have serious problems too. Good government would mean avoiding those crashes, but we haven't figured out to do that yet, nor do we have a good system of protecting citizens when the economy crashes. Seems to me we are flying by the seats of our pants, not too sure of what is happening nor why? That would make it very hard to understand why another country is not doing well.

Quote:
NK is a tough intel target - hardly anyone gets in & out. & so we wind up relying upon indirect means, as noted above. It's not much, but it's all we have; & based on that, Jong-un is a nasty piece of work. It may be possible to ally with him - as we did with Stalin in WWII (after Hitler invaded the USSR) - but absent some existential threat to both parties, I don't think we're going to get very far on diplomacy with NK under Jong-un.
The external threats are preventing countries from accessing what they want and need, and above all these threats is the threat of nuclear war. I think we should talk more about this because I don't think we are working with sufficient information yet.

Last edited by Athena; February 15th, 2018 at 06:56 AM.
Athena is offline  
Reply

  Defending The Truth Political Forum > Political Forum > Politicians

Tags
nuclear, trump, war



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Iran nuclear: Trump extends Obama's 'worst deal ever' RNG Current Events 4 May 18th, 2017 04:53 PM
In Call With Putin, Trump Denounced Obama-Era Nuclear Arms Treaty RNG Americas 0 February 9th, 2017 02:39 PM
n nuclear threat REDUCED to safest level following Donald Trump vic Sabcat Current Events 4 November 17th, 2016 08:07 PM
Defcon nuclear threat REDUCED to safest level following Donald Trump victory excalibur Current Events 1 November 15th, 2016 12:16 PM
Putin ally tells Americans: Vote Trump or face nuclear war imaginethat Current Events 78 October 14th, 2016 10:55 AM


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed



Copyright © 2005-2013 Defending The Truth. All rights reserved.