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Old February 11th, 2018, 09:00 AM   #11
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This right wing phenomenon predates Don the Con. He is just a symptom of a bigger problem on the right that has existed for a couple of decades on the right. When he claimed that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose a vote, he was saying that he understood this phenomenon and was willing to use it against these right wing suckers to further his own ends. He was right.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 09:01 AM   #12
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Here's my take on it. Here is a a PM from a conversation Imagine That and i recently had on PM. I am posting it with his permission.

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Old February 11th, 2018, 09:11 AM   #13
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I can't see how it isn't obvious to you yet.
well, that was well thought-out and informative with depth and meaningful insight
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Old February 11th, 2018, 09:39 AM   #14
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I speak for many when I say that I simply do not understand why people support Donald Trump to the hilt. Yes, yes, I understand why people voted for him considering the other choice.

But that's history. More than a year has passed since he took office, and in that year Trump has displayed many of the characteristics that Rs disparagingly attributed to Obama.

Trump supporters-to-be had called Obama a "neocon" who talked about peace while bombing Afghanistan at a record rate. Yet, I read yesterday that in 2017 under Trump three times as many bombs have been dropped compared to Obama's record-setting pace in 2016. And Trump talking about winning nuclear war, as he talks about designing and deploying new nukes. He goads Kimmy. He's escalated our role in Syria. He's continued global US military deployments in more than 130 nations.

He sure looks like a neocon to me.

Take the budget. A $1 trillion-plus deficit is projected. That's almost twice Obama's last tally. Should the economy turns south, $1 trillion will be a conservative estimate. The huge deficits of Bush's last year and Obama's first years were in response to stimulating an economy in collapse. No such situation exists today, just the opposite with inflation raising its ugly head. Cutting taxes, Trump's great achievement, in this economic environment might net votes but makes no sense.

Trump supporters-to-be continuously pointed out Obama's - and Hillary's - lies. Why then did you elect a president with legitimate claim to being the all-time record lying POTUS?

Then the charge, still being made, that Obama is a Muslim, an anti-christian Muslim. So, Trump supporters elect a man who's committed every sin in the Good Book, and who shows no contrition over having done so. In fact, he's proud of his sins.

Looking from the outside at the Trump phenomenon, it just doesn't make sense. Trump supporters have absolutely not held him to account. Instead the have explained and defended his obvious lies and Obama-like actions.

So please, Trump supporters, help those of us who don't support him, who literally cannot stand looking at or listening to the man, help us understand why you support DJT. And please, let's be civil in this discussion.
I've dispassionately witnessed this with Obama. Semi passionately with G W Bush and Bill Clinton. Detachedly with G H W Bush and Ronald Reagan. Being to young to witness this with prior Presidential administrations. But this phenomenon was ever present with the others at the birth of the information age from my readings. JFK's being the most mythical of the lot.

Perhaps that is what it is. A desire to believe in presidential myths amongst the public?
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Old February 11th, 2018, 09:48 AM   #15
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The only thing “obvious” to me is that hard core Trump supporters will defend ANYTHING he says or does rather than admit they made a mistake in electing this guy.


Trump supporters don't need to go that far---because RARELY do presidential supporters agree with everything their candidate does....but Trump supporters NEVER and I MEAN NEVER question anything Trump says or does OR if they do, they won't speak up. WHY??
That's what I don't understand.

You would think that EVENTUALLY Trump would say SOMETHING that makes them pause....and think...Hmmm...that is questionable--that is not true. But NOPE.

Everything he does/says seem to be just peachy dandy with them. That's where the CULT comes in. Never question. Never deny. Just obey.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 10:06 AM   #16
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Trump supporters don't need to go that far---because RARELY do presidential supporters agree with everything their candidate does....but Trump supporters NEVER and I MEAN NEVER question anything Trump says or does OR if they do, they won't speak up. WHY??
That's what I don't understand.

You would think that EVENTUALLY Trump would say SOMETHING that makes them pause....and think...Hmmm...that is questionable--that is not true. But NOPE.

Everything he does/says seem to be just peachy dandy with them. That's where the CULT comes in. Never question. Never deny. Just obey.
And that cult is the result of the 1958 National Defense Education Act, that ended the transmission of our culture and destroyed our national heroes, ended education for good moral judgment and left that up to the church, and ended education for higher order thinking skills (critical thinking). Education for technology for industrial and military purpose is the model for education that led to Germany following Hitler.
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Here's my take on it. Here is a a PM from a conversation Imagine That and i recently had on PM. I am posting it with his permission.

http://www.defendingthetruth.com/pri...wpm&pmid=84259
Here HW is your thoughtful analysis:
Paul,

Never met a RW conservative that did not have control issues. And, IMHO of course, this Trump-mania is about control or more correctly the fear of losing control.

For most of this country's history wealthy white males pretty much owned and/or controlled everything worth owning and controlling. This has been slowly changing over the past 100 years..slowly. End of Jim Crow laws, women getting the vote, Roe vs Wade, Civil Rights Act of 1964, etc. etc.
To those people the election to the Presidency of a black liberal man from a liberal northern city was a slap in the face, a rude wake-up call to just how much things were changing and how that was accelerating.

You add to that things that happened during his Presidency, gay-marriage and what the RW considers to be "attacks on Christianity and the 2nd Amendment", etc. etc.

THEN, immediately on top of that the possibility of a WOMAN, the wife of a disliked liberal President, being elected president to follow the BLACK LIBERAL was just TOO much for them and they snapped. Lost their reason, their fucking minds.

The older white males that support Trump, say guys my age or a little younger, are doing so in the belief he will bring back those "good old days." The young fools that support Trump do so in the belief that if they do they to can have a country that was like what the old guys tell them it was.

That and simple fear of the world in general. Trump promises them that if only the LOVE him enough, if only they OBEY him with enough passion, HE will keep them SAFE.

Many RW are basically cowards who will obey a strong father-figure that they believe will keep them safe...and in control, keep "the others" down for them. The RW Trumpsters are slaves looking for a good master and they think they have found him in Trump.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 10:22 AM   #18
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I've dispassionately witnessed this with Obama. Semi passionately with G W Bush and Bill Clinton. Detachedly with G H W Bush and Ronald Reagan. Being to young to witness this with prior Presidential administrations. But this phenomenon was ever present with the others at the birth of the information age from my readings. JFK's being the most mythical of the lot.

Perhaps that is what it is. A desire to believe in presidential myths amongst the public?
As far as you went, I agree. Americans tend to make heroes of presdents of their own political persuasion. That's a given.

But, I laid out points specific to DJT, who is a one and only in the 20th and 21st centuries, and no one on the right has yet to explain why they support him even though he is culpable of the very same critiques they applied to Obama.

Why?
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I've dispassionately witnessed this with Obama. Semi passionately with G W Bush and Bill Clinton. Detachedly with G H W Bush and Ronald Reagan. Being to young to witness this with prior Presidential administrations. But this phenomenon was ever present with the others at the birth of the information age from my readings. JFK's being the most mythical of the lot.

Perhaps that is what it is. A desire to believe in presidential myths amongst the public?

It is as simple as understanding human nature. I am sure the ancient Egyptians loved loving their pharaoh. Romans loved believing they were best people on earth. The Muslim division between Sunni and Shia was made worse by a ruler who supported his war for power but convincing his people they were right and others were wrong. We love being right and better than all others, and following is much easier than being responsible.

For people to be rational and personally responsible as we want them to be, they must be educated in the virtues, principles, and reasoning for democracy. We stopped doing that. So those who drop out of school in the 8th grade to get jobs, do not become the adults like those who dropped out school in the 8th grade 80 years ago. What is left is humans the same as humans were in ancient times before logic and science were developed. The Age of Enlightenment is over and we are slipping into another dark age.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 10:28 AM   #20
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I can't see how it isn't obvious to you yet.
Just call me dense.

Please elucidate for others what's obvious to you.
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