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Old February 11th, 2018, 10:30 AM   #21
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As far as you went, I agree. Americans tend to make heroes of presdents of their own political persuasion. That's a given.

But, I laid out points specific to DJT, who is a one and only in the 20th and 21st centuries, and no one on the right has yet to explain why they support him even though he is culpable of the very same critiques they applied to Obama.

Why?
I just bought and watched a video about Obama and I had forgotten what he stood for. He was opposed to war and nuclear build up, and I am wondering how we went from the extreme of opposing war and nuclear up to embracing military might and nuclear build up? Our nation is not stable but it is swinging from one extreme to another. We have become reactionary like Germany was.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 10:38 AM   #22
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As far as you went, I agree. Americans tend to make heroes of presdents of their own political persuasion. That's a given.

But, I laid out points specific to DJT, who is a one and only in the 20th and 21st centuries, and no one on the right has yet to explain why they support him even though he is culpable of the very same critiques they applied to Obama.

Why?
Rest assured, i wondered the same thing when Obama was elected and did many of the same things Bush had done. The critiques stopped and rationalizing finally began, but for Obama actions and not for Bush's similar actions.

It's crazy irrational hypocrisy wrapped up with the semblances of power. "It's not the same as when our person does it because we're responsible and good."

The road to hell....
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Old February 11th, 2018, 10:49 AM   #24
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Here HW is your thoughtful analysis:
Paul,

Never met a RW conservative that did not have control issues. And, IMHO of course, this Trump-mania is about control or more correctly the fear of losing control.

For most of this country's history wealthy white males pretty much owned and/or controlled everything worth owning and controlling. This has been slowly changing over the past 100 years..slowly. End of Jim Crow laws, women getting the vote, Roe vs Wade, Civil Rights Act of 1964, etc. etc.
To those people the election to the Presidency of a black liberal man from a liberal northern city was a slap in the face, a rude wake-up call to just how much things were changing and how that was accelerating.

You add to that things that happened during his Presidency, gay-marriage and what the RW considers to be "attacks on Christianity and the 2nd Amendment", etc. etc.

THEN, immediately on top of that the possibility of a WOMAN, the wife of a disliked liberal President, being elected president to follow the BLACK LIBERAL was just TOO much for them and they snapped. Lost their reason, their fucking minds.

The older white males that support Trump, say guys my age or a little younger, are doing so in the belief he will bring back those "good old days." The young fools that support Trump do so in the belief that if they do they to can have a country that was like what the old guys tell them it was.

That and simple fear of the world in general. Trump promises them that if only the LOVE him enough, if only they OBEY him with enough passion, HE will keep them SAFE.

Many RW are basically cowards who will obey a strong father-figure that they believe will keep them safe...and in control, keep "the others" down for them. The RW Trumpsters are slaves looking for a good master and they think they have found him in Trump.
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My personal opinion. Who doesn't like not to have power and to be in control? Slave masters are in the wings of both parties and we're only worried about what the otherisde might do to them?

I can only guess at what they might do. They will do unto others as was done onto them.

The country itself, can go f##k itself! It all appears as trying to be properly branded as the good guys versus the evil others.
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As far as you went, I agree. Americans tend to make heroes of presdents of their own political persuasion. That's a given.

But, I laid out points specific to DJT, who is a one and only in the 20th and 21st centuries, and no one on the right has yet to explain why they support him even though he is culpable of the very same critiques they applied to Obama.

Why?
Basically, to protect and block for the quarter back, or whoever has the ball. Same plays, different team.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 10:59 AM   #26
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Basically, to protect and block for the quarter back, or whoever has the ball. Same plays, different team.


By George. I think you've got it. "TO PROTECT and BLOCK".

Face palm.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 11:05 AM   #27
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Trump voters are a diverse collection of voters.

Some(a lot actually) are just Republicans, it's their team.
Some are racists, who are paying back the Democrats for Obama.
Some are misogynists, who would never vote for a woman.
Some are voting for change, they don't like what we have and Trump seemed like the most likely to change whatever was there.
Some are voting for Fuck You, their vote for Trump was their way to scream FUCK YOU to the world.
Some are voting for their father....or their father in law.
A lot were voting against Hillary Clinton, because they believe she is evil incarnate.


Anyway, that added up to almost half and it was spread out just so, we now have Trump as our president.

If ever there was a reason to rewrite the constitution....
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My personal opinion. Who doesn't like not to have power and to be in control? Slave masters are in the wings of both parties and we're only worried about what the otherisde might do to them?

I can only guess at what they might do. They will do unto others as was done onto them.

The country itself, can go f##k itself! It all appears as trying to be properly branded as the good guys versus the evil others.
LOL..kind of depends on what you are willing to do or tolerate to get or retain that power and control, now doesn't it? SOME people are willing to lie, cheat. steal, kill to retain that power.

So, you agree with my personal opinion on the topic or what?

You are free to leave this country and never come back if you hate it so. BYE!
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LOL..kind of depends on what you are willing to do or tolerate to get or retain that power and control, now doesn't it? SOME people are willing to lie, cheat. steal, kill to retain that power.

So, you agree with my personal opinion on the topic or what?
Hmmm... I don't see anything funny here. Power corrupts. To Generalise and stereotype one side from another does nothing to advance understanding;. or bipartisan support. Is that not what you want? Unless your a unscrupulous politician. Are you a unscrupulous politician?


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You are free to leave this country and never come back if you hate it so. BYE!
A misunderstanding. I should of prefaced the final paragraph with; "it seems to me that they are saying...."

But thanks all the same for taking the high road by proving your not like RW'ers.

This all would be funny if this all were a parody.
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Rest assured, i wondered the same thing when Obama was elected and did many of the same things Bush had done. The critiques stopped and rationalizing finally began, but for Obama actions and not for Bush's similar actions.

It's crazy irrational hypocrisy wrapped up with the semblances of power. "It's not the same as when our person does it because we're responsible and good."

The road to hell....
That's just not apples to apples. Obama did not lie us into senseless and unwindable wars, just for starts. He had no connections to corporate crooks such as Ken Lay nor did he have any corporate crooks in his cabinet.

But I don't want to go off on Bush ... again. The point I'm making is DJT's actions and behavior are in a category of one. He freaking ran of being an outsider and a break from the status quo.

Enough time has passed to see that was just another of his lies, or in the PC talk of DJT, alternative facts.

Not one of DTT's right wing - and I'll name names: caco, jom, Sabcat, TNV, Herculese, roastpork, Sensible, goodpen, guy39, and others - have explained why they continue to support DJT in spite of his marked similarities to Obama, whom they hate.

They laughed at Obama when he dismissed Romney's opinion that Russia was our greatest foe, and now, they laugh at the Ds for thinking Russia is our enemy.

Like Athena said, we're in a see-saw of rapidly changing extreme opinions, and right now the Rs are in the spotlight for electing a president who, other than his attempt to buy support with completely ill-timed tax cuts, is guilty of all of Obama's and Bush's sins.

As Clara said, they have not once called out DJT for anything. That is the definition of cult.
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