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Old February 11th, 2018, 02:30 PM   #31
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That's just not apples to apples. Obama did not lie us into senseless and unwindable wars, just for starts. He had no connections to corporate crooks such as Ken Lay nor did he have any corporate crooks in his cabinet.
I beg to differ, my friend. They are more similar than you think. Well... Actually that is my opinion.

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But I don't want to go off on Bush ... again.
Nor do i with Obama.

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The point I'm making is DJT's actions and behavior are in a category of one. He freaking ran of being an outsider and a break from the status quo.

Enough time has passed to see that was just another of his lies, or in the PC talk of DJT, alternative facts.

Not one of DTT's right wing - and I'll name names: caco, jom, Sabcat, TNV, Herculese, roastpork, Sensible, goodpen, guy39, and others - have explained why they continue to support DJT in spite of his marked similarities to Obama, whom they hate.

The laughed at Obama when he dismissed Romney's opinion that Russia was our greatest foe, and now, they laugh at the Ds for thinking Russia is our enemy.

Like Athena said, we're in a see-saw of rapidly changing extreme opinions, and right now the Rs are in the spotlight for electing a president who, other than his attempt to buy support with completely ill-timed tax cuts, is guilty of all of Obama's and Bush's sins.

As Clara said, they have not once called out DJT for anything. That is the definition of cult.
I follow you. But did anyone here on the left call out Obama on anything they disagreed with?
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Old February 11th, 2018, 03:03 PM   #32
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But did anyone here on the left call out Obama on anything they disagreed with?
I did.

I was against his anti- gay marriage stance.

I thought he was incredibly short-sighted to allow the vicious (and truly fake!) news about him from the right wing to go uncontested and corrected. It did possibly irreparable damage to the Democratic Party.

I was very very disappointed when he didn't shut down Guantanamo.

There were other things - but I still voted for him twice - still think he was the best President of my lifetime - and I would vote for him again if it was allowed.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 03:24 PM   #33
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The only thing “obvious” to me is that hard core Trump supporters will defend ANYTHING he says or does rather than admit they made a mistake in electing this guy.
Which begs another question when will they realize that mistake and what will it take to bring them to that realization?
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Old February 11th, 2018, 03:30 PM   #34
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I beg to differ, my friend. They are more similar than you think. Well... Actually that is my opinion.



Nor do i with Obama.



I follow you. But did anyone here on the left call out Obama on anything they disagreed with?
That would be me. I called him m out for being far to willing to negotiate a way Social Security benefits to make a deal with Bohner on a budget and not closing Guantanamo and being to willing to give the military budget increases.

All issues which the next Dem President will be held to the fire over
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Old February 11th, 2018, 04:07 PM   #35
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As far as you went, I agree. Americans tend to make heroes of presdents of their own political persuasion. That's a given.

But, I laid out points specific to DJT, who is a one and only in the 20th and 21st centuries, and no one on the right has yet to explain why they support him even though he is culpable of the very same critiques they applied to Obama.

Why?


I'm going to add my two cents to the whole "Americans tend to make heroes of Presidents". There's a good reason for that. U.S. Presidents are supposed to be exceptional--extraordinary--remarkable. They are all those things because there are so few of them. They have superpowers that can be used to save us or destroy us. Our lives rest with them and with the people closest to them. They are God-like in that way. There's an unexplained loyalty to our presidents because they have risen to the highest rank possible (against all odds) and because we the people expect them to be smarter and wiser--brilliant speakers, economists, military geniuses, & of the highest integrity. They act as the ultimate father-figures.
Our president will take care of us--all of us. He (or possibly SHE someday) will represent us in the international community. We want to be proud of the president--his appearance--his intelligence--his social skills--his ability to problem-solve and his resolve.
There's a kinship among our presidents because ONLY THEY know the truth of the Oval Office. So here's story that I love.

During his last moments in the White House, President Ronald Reagan scribbled a note that said: “Don’t let the turkeys get you down.” He then slipped the note into the Oval Office desk and left it for his successor: President George H.W. Bush. Bush then left a note for Clinton, who left one for W, who left one for Obama. It is, to this day, the greatest private tradition of the US Presidency.

Here's the letter from HW Bush to Bill Clinton.

January 20, 1993

Dear Bill,

When I walked into this office just now I felt the same sense of wonder and respect that I felt four years ago. I know you will feel that too.
I wish you great happiness here. I never felt the loneliness some Presidents have described.

There will be very tough times, made even more difficult by criticism you may not think is fair. I’m not a very good one to give advice; but just don’t let the
critics discourage you or push you off course.
You will be our President when you read this note. I wish you well. I wish your family well.
Your success now is our country’s success. I am rooting hard for you.

Good luck -

George


HW was a Republican president, but I thought he was AWESOME--I really did. He was a gentleman in every sense. I loved his wife--our first lady. Sometimes we can truly adore a president across the aisle....just because of WHO he is.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 04:24 PM   #36
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Hmmm... I don't see anything funny here. Power corrupts. To Generalise and stereotype one side from another does nothing to advance understanding;. or bipartisan support. Is that not what you want? Unless your a unscrupulous politician. Are you a unscrupulous politician?




A misunderstanding. I should of prefaced the final paragraph with; "it seems to me that they are saying...."

But thanks all the same for taking the high road by proving your not like RW'ers.

This all would be funny if this all were a parody.
You do not recognize the concept of degrees, no shades of gray?
Power is power and corruption is corruption?

Indeed you should have, but alas you did not.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 04:29 PM   #37
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I beg to differ, my friend. They are more similar than you think. Well... Actually that is my opinion.



Nor do i with Obama.



I follow you. But did anyone here on the left call out Obama on anything they disagreed with?
You know as well as I do that is not even close to an answer to IT's comments.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 04:42 PM   #38
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You do not recognize the concept of degrees, no shades of gray?
Power is power and corruption is corruption?

Indeed you should have, but alas you did not.
Good lord! For the love of... I hope im not as crochety when i reach your age!
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Old February 11th, 2018, 04:44 PM   #39
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You know as well as I do that is not even close to an answer to IT's comments.
How do you want me to answer a question any other way then i already have?

Clara caught it, why didn't you?
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Old February 11th, 2018, 05:00 PM   #40
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Good lord! For the love of... I hope im not as crochety when i reach your age!
Simple question(s). You going to answer or not?
What is particularly "crotchety" about them?
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